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On Tue, 2004-11-16 at 07:37 -0800, M. Edward Borasky wrote: |
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> Well ... I suspect a fair number of Gentoo users do |
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> emerge sync |
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> emerge -puvD world |
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> emerge -uD world |
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> etc-update |
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> every day more or less automatically. I tend to be a little more |
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> cautious than that, but I missed the hotplug warnings and had to figure |
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> everything out by myself. At that point, the word "coldplug" flashed by |
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> my subliminal vision :). So I must have seen the warning. |
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You are entirely right about this and it sure would be nice to get users |
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out of this habit. Then again, most people come to Gentoo because they |
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think there really is a dramatic difference between gaim 1.0.2 and gaim |
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1.0.3 and waiting an extra 3 hours to have the latest and greatest will |
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simply make them lose all their 'leet points among the other forums |
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posters. |
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/me ducks |
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All kidding aside, a better method for getting messages across |
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definitely needs to be worked on, but at the same time, how many of you |
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don't know that we put messages in the ebuilds that you should follow? |
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How many of you simply ignore them anyway and do an "emerge -uD world" |
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blindly and don't pay any attention to the nice messages we worked so |
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hard to put into the ebuilds? I'm not trying to lay blame on you, |
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personally, I am just making an observation. |
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To be honest, the hotplug/coldplug thing caught me off-guard myself when |
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I first upgraded the hotplug package, simply because I didn't follow my |
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own advice. However, I said to myself "Hrrmn... It seems hotplug is |
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broken. Perhaps I should read the ChangeLog and see what it says |
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there?" and all was right in the universe again. |
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Unfortunately, there really is only so much hand-holding that we can |
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accomplish as developers and still have time to actually *work* on the |
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distribution. |
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> How about this: |
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> Whenever you do "emerge sync", you get a list of "release notes" for |
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> everything that has changed since your last sync. I know Portage is |
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> smart enough to do this sort of thing, because it told me I had to |
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> update my /etc/make.profile last night, and it tells me when I need to |
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> update Portage. While you're at it, a list of new packages would be |
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> nice. |
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Ehh... that's *way* too much information to present. I definitely don't |
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want to see a bunch of Gnome/KDE garbage every time I sync if I only run |
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fluxbox or windowmaker. |
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I could see an advantage in having a list of new packages, but it |
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*definitely* should not be turned on by default. |
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Wouldn't it be much nicer if users would do something like emerge -vuDpl |
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world instead and actually get the ChangeLog entries? |
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Chris Gianelloni |
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Release Engineering - Operational/QA Manager |
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Games - Developer |
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