Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 41: Making Arch Testers official Gentoo Staff

[Simon Stelling]

Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> | voting previleges
>
> Again, why? They have not yet demonstrated their understanding of
> complex technical issues. Voting should be restricted to people who
> know what they're doing. Arch testers have not yet proven themselves.

Does that mean that all the Gentoo people who didn't take the ebuild quiz (which 
doesn't proove the understanding of complex technical issues very good anyway 
IMHO, but that's another issue) should not be allowed to vote?

> | > Assuming by "arch dev" you mean "arch tester", then:
> | >
> | > Experience, commitment and (at least in theory) recruitment
> | > standards.
> |
> | Commitment first:
> | IMNSHO, it is rude to assume that an Arch Tester is less commited to
> | their work than an Arch Team member.  All developers should be doing
> | their part and should hopefully ( we don't live in an ideal world here
> | after all ) be commited to doing their work well.  A lack of
> | commitment that results in shoddy work should get them removed from
> | any developer role, Arch Team member or otherwise.
>
> An arch tester has not committed himself to the project for the same
> length of time as a full developer.

That's not true. The whole point is that our current ATs *don't want* to be 
developers but are willing to help us and are a great help to keep the tree up 
to date, and we think it's unfair to honor a dev who doesn't much but sending 
emails with a nice signature but treating the ATs as users where they do far 
more than said dev.

> Uhm... Different people have different skill levels. Some of this is
> down to natural ability, some of it is down to experience. Arch testers
> have not yet proven themselves. Full developers have (at least in
> theory...).

Yes, in theory. Too bad reality doesn't match with theory far too often. I for 
example became dev after just submitting a few "app-foo/bar works on amd64" bugs 
and moaning because it took too long to get them fixed. Of course i knew 
portage, but I really can't say that I have proven myself to be useful to the 
project when I joined it. BUT, this was before the idea of an AT existed. Today, 
every user who wants to become a amd64 developer, has to become AT first, to 
prove himself, so the problem you're speaking of was fixed, not caused by ATs.

Regards,
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Simon Stelling
Gentoo/AMD64 Operational Co-Lead
blubb@g.o
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