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From: Lance Albertson <ramereth@g.o>
To: gentoo-dev@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Decision to remove stage1/2 from installation documentation
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 15:58:48
Message-Id: 43833F38.50609@gentoo.org
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-dev] Decision to remove stage1/2 from installation documentation by Chris Gianelloni
1 Chris Gianelloni wrote:
2 > On Tue, 2005-11-22 at 14:47 +0000, Kurt Lieber wrote:
3 >
4 >>We have received *numerous* complaints from users about the decision to
5 >>remove stage 1 and 2 from the installation documentation. I realize it's
6 >>still available if users are willing to dig for it, but not all users do.
7 >>
8 >>In my years of monitoring www@g.o, we've received the most
9 >>complaints about this decision than any other single decision. Is there a
10 >>way we can re-introduce the stages into the installation documentation,
11 >>perhaps with gigantic warnings saying, "for advanced users only" or "use at
12 >>your own risk"?
13 >
14 >
15 > The problem is that we (releng) cannot possibly keep up with the number
16 > of possible bugs that are being introduced via USE flags. It used to be
17 > that if someone introduced a USE flag into *any* package that would show
18 > up under "system" that they would make sure the damn thing would pass a
19 > stage1->stage3 process. Now, we're receiving bugs and emails quite
20 > often from problems where things like "hal" are being pulled in to
21 > system, which is a major problem, as it requires a configured kernel,
22 > which, of course, doesn't exist at this point.
23 >
24 > As I am now not only the Release Engineering lead, but also the x86
25 > Release Coordinator, I am fielding nearly 100% of these issues.
26 >
27 > I DO NOT HAVE THE TIME TO DO OTHER PEOPLE'S QA FOR THEM.
28
29 If you are that overworked, perhaps you should find more people to help
30 with releng and the duties you have? I've been in a similar position as
31 yourself where its hard to find good quality folks that stick around,
32 and then you get used to doing everything yourself. I haven't seen any
33 emails asking for help or people for releng. This is the first I've
34 heard of your troubles with not having adequate time for all the duties
35 you do yourself.
36
37 If you need help, please ask for it and at least try and get some of
38 that load off of you so that we don't take things out of gentoo simply
39 because of the lack of time.
40
41 Cheers-
42
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44 Lance Albertson <ramereth@g.o>
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