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on Wed, 19 Jun 2013, at 10:35, Markos Chandras thusly quipped: |
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> Hi, |
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> It is unfortunate to observe constant bullying, insults and trolling |
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> across our public media. Developers have been warned over and over that |
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> such behaviour is not acceptable and they should try to behave |
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> properly. However, people have ignored such warnings for a very long |
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> time. This ends today. |
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Tough talk. We'll see... |
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> The DevRel policy states that: "If the issue is deemed critical, |
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> the developer in question may have his or her access suspended |
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> while a vote takes place. In such situations, the Developer |
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> Relations lead may act without a vote of the remaining Developer |
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> Relations team; this power is granted by Council. Except in |
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> critical situations where immediate action is required, such |
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> disciplinary action is determined by members of the Developer |
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> Relations project."[1] |
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> For me, this problem is critical. Devrel is working on formalizing a new |
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> policy, and we will announce news on this soon. In the meantime, to |
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> prevent further escalations, I will use my lead powers to request |
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> immediate bans whenever I see one of you violate the CoC[2] and ignore |
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> the previous warnings. |
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Hmm... that's a serious responsibility you've assigned yourself. I hope |
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you'll be a benevolent, impartial and reasonable interim judge, jury and |
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muzzler. |
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> My fellow developers, it's time you finally realize that |
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> you are part of a community and you must learn to behave |
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> and respect each other even if you have different technical views. |
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> We are all people sharing a common interest: Gentoo. |
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> [1] http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/devrel/policy.xml#doc_chap2 |
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> [2] http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/council/coc.xml |
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Sorry to hear you have such a low opinion of the socialization of Gentoo |
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developers. Since I'm not one of them, I'll just put forth my 2c in on |
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this, without fear of "consequences." |
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Am I the only one who feels that trolling, abuse, and so forth, are largely |
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in the eye of the beholder, and that lively, impassioned, constructive |
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debate may seem to many readers like hyperbole and ad hominem attack? |
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As long as I can remember, candid and even ostensibly hostile debate and |
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argument have been a part of the Gentoo process (the same goes for a great |
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many open-source projects). Thus far, although not without some frustration |
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and angst, Gentoo has weathered these storms, and somehow managed to make |
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sound decisions based on technical and practical merit, after all is said |
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and done. |
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Have you considered the possibility, Markos, that, although not pretty to |
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look at, such conflicts provide an important cathartic channel to relieve |
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certain "psychological pressures?" In environments where everyone is |
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expected, on pain of discipline, to "be civil" all the time, my experience |
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is that folks start to build up resentments which eventually "explode" |
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forth, spectacularly, despite -- indeed, one might say, because of -- their |
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best efforts to conform to those expectations. |
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IIRC, Gentoo already has rules forbidding a laundry-list of antisocial |
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behaviors like racism, sexism, threats of violence, and so forth, and some |
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provisions in place to handle violators of that policy, does it not? |
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Further -- and please take this as more of a rhetorical flourish than a |
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genuine concern, but, I wonder, whose job it is to muzzle you, Markos, if |
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you, yourself get out of line, and will they dare perform it? |
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Has a clear consensus emerged that existing rules are not strong enough? |
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Or perhaps, are a vocal minority just butt-hurt about some particular |
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discussion that happened recently? I'm asking fully in earnest, and I |
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sincerely hope -- and genuinely presume -- I don't have to worry that I'll |
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be muzzled for doing so, on the basis that I'm "trolling" or what-have-you. |
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Why should I even feel the need to say so? Perhaps, that is my problem and |
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sheer paranoia, but surely, you can appreciate how such an announcement can |
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potentially have certain "chilling effects," and that the merits of strict |
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enforcement of such well-intended policies are not necessarily so clear as |
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they might seem on first glance. |
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Wishing you the best in your effort to make Gentoo a more civil and |
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friendly community, |
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-gmt |