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On Sun, 26 May 2013 01:24:03 -0500 |
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Daniel Campbell <dlcampbell@×××.com> wrote: |
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> On 05/25/2013 02:53 PM, Anthony G. Basile wrote: |
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> > We are moving too quickly on bug #448882 ([Tracker] packages not |
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> > providing systemd units). We should come to better consensus on systemd |
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> > integration and we were getting there with the idea of INSTALL_MASK. I |
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> > don't know that it is a working solution yet. I have to oppose adding |
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> > unit files unless we have a way to opt out for reasons I gave earlier, |
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> > regarding embedded systems where one needs to conserve space |
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> > aggressively. And we may have found a way to do so without cluttering |
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> > ebuilds with USE flags. |
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> > Can I ask the systemd people to design a working solution for opting |
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> > out? I can't support this initiative without such a solution and I |
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> > would be happy to work with the systemd people to reach it, ie I'll test. |
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> I'm not a dev (though I would like to be...), but consider me interested |
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> in testing an opt-out method as well. I'm going to try INSTALL_MASK and |
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> see what happens. I'm not sure if any of my packages have systemd units |
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> yet, though. |
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Please fix your e-mail client to send replies to the mail you are |
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replying it, instead of the top mail in the thread. |
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> As far as resisting systemd, why is that so bad? Vertical integration is |
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> generally a bad idea with the sole exception of when your use case(s) |
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> line up perfectly with the ivory tower and you need all of the offered |
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> features. If Gentoo falls to systemd, there will literally be no |
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> Linux-based distros left to prevent it from taking over, and as a result |
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> Linux-based systems will become more and more tightly integrated, |
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> killing the choice that Gentoo truly stands for and homogenizing everything. |
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It is bad because ebuilds are not place to put politics into. If you |
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want to become dev, you should understand this. We are supposed to be |
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serious people. Serious people don't break user systems or refuse to |
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support them in the name of manifesting their wishes. |
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It is bad because it's not systemd that's losing, it's Gentoo. Except |
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for the fact that there's just a few people that take Gentoo seriously |
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these days. |
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Upstreams clearly show that they don't care. We can either sit |
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in the corner and resent, or we can work on improving the situation. |
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And going on flamewars or manifestations doesn't really improve |
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anything, you should know that by now. |
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Best regards, |
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Michał Górny |