Re: [gentoo-dev] UTF-8 locale by default

[Michał Górny]

On Fri, 3 Aug 2012 09:59:42 -0500
Matthew Summers <quantumsummers@g.o> wrote:

> On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 1:32 PM, Mike Gilbert <floppym@g.o>
> wrote:
> > On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 2:21 PM, Diego Elio Pettenò
> > <flameeyes@×××××××××.eu> wrote:
> >> On 01/08/2012 23:42, Fabian Groffen wrote:
> >>> Honestly, if some asian person has whatever charset that I often
> >>> find in spam messages, but is not UTF-8, are you then going to
> >>> tell that person to switch to UTF-8 to get those python packages
> >>> emerged?  I hope not.
> >>
> >> Tell that to the Python team I guess. My tinderbox _has_ utf8
> >> locales available, but doesn't set in by default -> Python stuff
> >> fails to build or test -> not going to be fixed with "change your
> >> locale" reasoning.
> >>
> >> Is it mental? Yes.
> >> Would I like that to change? Yes.
> >> Do I care ẃhether that's through the use of cluebyfour on the
> >> Python team or by setting an utf-8 locale by default? Not in the
> >> least.
> >>
> >
> > Please apply the cluebyfour to the upstream developers of python and
> > python modules. :-)
> >
> > I do try to fix unicode problems if I run into them. However,
> > sometimes it just isn't worth the effort.
> >
>
> Python upstream is doing what they think is best in using unicode.
>
> That said, what if we just temporarily set a locale in the ebuild for
> running tests and elsewhere? Is this unreasonable or impossible? It
> might not be a great solution, this method, since users' stuff will
> still break.

It is impossible because you can't know which locale a particular
system has available. AFAIK there's no 'it-will-always-work' choice;
unless we're going to enforce generating some common locale, or do very
ugly things.

>
> Further, I support the use of C.UTF-8 when it is ready. It seems like
> the lowest common denominator to me.

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Best regards,
Michał Górny