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From: Tamas Sarga <tamas@×××××××××××××××××.net>
To: Michiel de Bruijne <m.debruijne@××××××.nl>
Cc: gentoo-dev@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Conveying important upgrade messages to user community
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 14:34:22
Message-Id: Pine.LNX.4.58.0411161524150.18945@work.hu
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-dev] Conveying important upgrade messages to user community by Michiel de Bruijne
1 On Tue, 16 Nov 2004, Michiel de Bruijne wrote:
2
3 >
4 > On Tuesday 16 November 2004 16:13, Daniel Drake wrote:
5 > > My question is, how can we improve this situation? Portage really needs a
6 > > decent messaging system to convey messages like this. It's in the works,
7 > > right? It seems long overdue now...
8 >
9 > See http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11359 for a lot of discussion about
10 > this feature.
11 >
12 > > In the meantime, could we have handled this better with the resources
13 > > available to us right now? How have other people coped with similar
14 > > changes?
15 >
16 > I agree with you that the best solution is to show important messages after
17 > the installation. To answer your question about this specific case; I think
18 > timing was not very fortunately. Maybe you needed to wait a little bit longer
19 > between announcement and marking stable of the package.
20 >
21 > But you must realise that there are users out there who know very little about
22 > Linux in general and Gentoo in specific that will start to flame if something
23 > goes wrong nomatter how well you prepare and announce changes. Also realise
24 > that these (sometimes very loud) users only represent a very small fraction
25 > of the userbase and the most of them really appreciate your work.
26 >
27
28 Hi,
29 I'm not a Gentoo developer, so if you feel this message is just a noise,
30 I'm very sorry!
31 I know lot of users with very different habits and knowledge.
32 I think, that the knowledge is the bottle-neck at this case.
33 Lot of users don't know anything about PORTAGE_LOGDIR and the
34 portage-log filter scripts. I think the abilities of portage is enough,
35 but these aren't well-known enough. Maybe somebody (for example me)
36 should create an overview about PORTAGE_LOGDIR and portage-log filters.
37 It could go to the next GWN's tips&tricks article.
38
39 Any opinion?
40
41 Cheers,
42 Tamas Sarga
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Conveying important upgrade messages to user community Henrik Brix Andersen <brix@g.o>