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On Wed, 2021-06-16 at 17:03 +0200, Thomas Deutschmann wrote: |
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> > Quick recap for people that haven't been following the news or got |
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> > confused in the lots of data: |
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> > 1. Freenode was sold in 2017 to some guy who apparently wasn't supposed |
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> > to interfere with its operations. |
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> > 2. In 2021, the guy actively started to interfere, then formed a one-man |
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> > Board and demanded full compliance. |
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> The problem with a summary like that is, that you only present one view. |
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> I.e. the view of the "winner" (history is written by the victors). But |
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> part of the drama is that freenode owner said he was forced to take |
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> actions for legal reasons (new owner is held liable for whatever his |
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> staff is doing) after former staff refused to cooperate. |
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Freenode apologists are free to present their own point of view, |
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and even believe in it. I am arguing for my point of view. |
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> > 5. New Freenode staff (including some disreputable types) went angry |
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> > about this and started automated reclamation of channels that indicated |
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> > move to another network (including some channels that didn't because |
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> > they failed at grep). |
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> You could also have a different view on that: We (like many others) |
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> started to violate their TOS. It does not matter whether or not they |
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> created these TOS retrospectively: It's a proprietary/privately owned |
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> service. They can do whatever they like whenever they like. [...] |
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What is the point you're making? If GF decides to kick you from Gentoo, |
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will you also claim that it was their legal right? |
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> > Just imagine unknowing Gentoo users having their systems compromised |
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> > through advice from trolls pretending to be Gentoo developers. |
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> True. But this can happen wherever people talk about Gentoo. Even in our |
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> forums, mailing lists or official IRC channels. I would recommend |
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> everyone to relax a little bit. There will always be some imperfect |
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> situations like that we cannot control. We shouldn't start to overreact. |
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> Like we say, "Gentoo is about choice", have some faith in our users to |
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> deal with that. |
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No, it is not the same. Freenode was our primary support channel for |
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many years. I am pretty sure that there are still Gentoo users who are |
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unaware of the whole situation, and who might join Freenode seeking |
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help. |
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There is a major difference between potential support channels that were |
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never official, and support channels that were discontinued. |
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Best regards, |
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Michał Górny |
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