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On Thu, 2006-01-05 at 15:51 +0000, Kurt Lieber wrote: |
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> On Thu, Jan 05, 2006 at 08:07:14AM -0500 or thereabouts, Chris Gianelloni wrote: |
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> > Sounds like you'd rather take Gentoo back a few years to the days before |
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> > Hardened/Embedded/Alt. I guess we really should just be "Gentoo Linux" |
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> > and ignore all of the progress and work that has been made in all of |
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> > these other areas simply because it doesn't fit with your goals. |
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> I've never stated any specific goals. I've simply said we should have |
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> some. Please stop putting words in my mouth. |
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On Thu, 2006-01-05 at 03:58 +0000, Kurt Lieber wrote: |
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> On Tue, Jan 03, 2006 at 01:17:06PM -0500 or thereabouts, Chris Gianelloni |
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> > Do you want to be a part of a project that doesn't allow you to |
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> > implement some cool new feature because it might make Gentoo slightly |
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> > harder to use for some people and that's against the mission statement |
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> > so not allowed? |
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> Yes, absolutely. |
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That says to me exactly what I stated that you said. Whether that was |
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your intention or not, I honestly do not know. However, I am not |
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putting words into your mouth, I am simply restating what you are saying |
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after my interpretation of it. |
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On Thu, 2006-01-05 at 04:31 +0000, Kurt Lieber wrote: |
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> That person should figure out what Gentoo wants to be when it grows up. |
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> S/he should carefully consult the various stakeholders, look at the |
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> strengths/weaknesses of Gentoo as it stands currently and then figure out |
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> where the best direction is for it to proceed. They should then be |
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> responsible for making sure everyone (and I mean *everyone*) executes |
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> according to this direction. Folks who disagree with the vision will be |
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> able to go their own direction and start their own projects. That's the |
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> beauty of the GPL. |
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Right here you are explicitly stating that *everyone* should follow the |
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party line. How exactly is what I have said false when your own words |
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say it? |
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"Play ball or go home" comes to mind. |
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At any rate, I had already apologized for the impression that you were |
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given of me putting words into your mouth, however the continued attacks |
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afterwards have made me reconsider and decide to go back and quote your |
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*actual* words to keep from causing any confusion on the matter. |
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> > I'd like to also propose that we drop support for sparc, mips, sh, m68k, |
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> > s390, arm, and alpha, since they detract from our main goals of providing |
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> > amd64/ppc/x86 releases. After all, who really uses those "other" arches |
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> > anyway but a bunch of guys that never have good ideas or improve quality |
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> > of the distribution as a whole and constantly distract us away from |
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> > getting anything constructive done? |
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> straw man argument. Maybe the best direction for gentoo is focusing on |
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> embedded, maybe it's focusing on x86, maybe it's dropping Linux entirely |
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> and moving over to OpenSolaris and building tools around that. I never |
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> stated any opinions in this area so why are you trying to state them for |
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> me? |
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...and at what point in that paragraph did I say that you said any of |
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it? Also, I'm finding it hilarious to notice that a fellow native |
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English-speaking American is unable to recognize good ol' sarcasm in its |
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simplest form. |
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> It's pathetic that we, as a distribution, cannot have a civil discussion of |
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> any kind. |
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We have them all the time. We also have flame wars all the time. It's |
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simply a matter of doing business with over 300 people with a vested |
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interest and countless numbers of users, all with differing opinions. |
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Chris Gianelloni |
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Release Engineering - Strategic Lead |
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x86 Architecture Team |
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Games - Developer |
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Gentoo Linux |