Re: [gentoo-dev] Anti-spam changes: proposal to drop spammy mail

[C Bergström]

On Sat, May 23, 2015 at 1:18 PM, J. Roeleveld <joost@××××××××.org> wrote:
> On 11 May 2015 15:59:40 CEST, Rich Freeman <rich0@g.o> wrote:
>>On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 9:37 AM, C Bergström <cbergstrom@×××××××××.com>
>>wrote:
>>> Sorry to shoot and run, but I think you're trying to tackle this
>>> problem in the wrong way. The problem isn't to drop the mail. The
>>> solution is to change email hosting providers. As a non-profit I
>>> believe Google hosted apps would be an option (free).
>>
>>In general we try to stick to our social contract, and that means
>>trying to avoid depending on proprietary technologies such as gmail.
>>
>>Now, I could see just using a FOSS-based IMAP/SMTP/POP provider,
>>perhaps which allows things like forwarding and such, which allows us
>>to have a copy of all our configuration and such in case we want to
>>migrate.  I'm not super-familiar with the wordpress.com model but
>>something like that also seems reasonable - we leverage donations of
>>hosting services but we aren't bound to anything proprietary and have
>>the ability to migrate off.
>>
>>I'd REALLY like to see a FOSS alternative to Gmail (a good one, that
>>is), and ditto for Google docs (or whatever the latest branding for
>>that is). There is nothing magical about cloud-based services any more
>>than there is anything magical about letting somebody else host your
>>website.  The key is to ensure that the technologies are open so that
>>you aren't bound to a single provider.
>
> Rich,
>
> If you are thinking of a FOSS email provider. Maybe investigate Fastmail?
>
> They use postfix and cyrus. And they also handle a lot of the development of the latter.
>
> Not sure if they would fit in with the rest, but I would trust them sooner then Google.

Trust? LOL - If by trust you mean the government can man-in-the-middle
attack them easily - then sure.. gmail always uses encryption.. does
fastmail force that as well? Google has a much stronger means to push
back short term and long term against government spying (snowden).
fastmail would have to comply just the same and if you go back in
history - you'll see other providers who didn' t comply and the only
outcome was for them to go out of business... (happened once?)

social contract shouldn't be a religious contract - It's not like I
ever suggested we use something which isn't blessed by the pope. I
guess I should just be quiet since everyone has their own religion...