Re: [gentoo-dev] Revival of Gentoo BugDay: everyone is welcome to come debug

[Jaco Kroon]

Hi Aisha,

On 2020/06/12 13:44, Aisha Tammy wrote:
> On 6/12/20 6:55 AM, Jaco Kroon wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Can we possibly include the concept of "helping to file bug reports" here?
>>
>> For example, I've got an issue (which hasn't annoyed me just quite
>> enough yet to put effort in) where on bootup after xdm init script
>> starts it takes ~2 minutes before slim login is displayed.  But I don't
>> know enough of the workings of that to even understand if this is an
>> Xorg or slim (or dbus) bug ...
>>
> BugDay is not for creating bugs, its for squashing them.
>
> You can create the bugs today and then if it is in one of the top voted
> categories (old bugs, in this case) you might be able to convince interested
> devs to target your specific ones.

Fair enough.

In this case I've no idea where to start with filing a sensible bug
though :).  So what it really boils down to is that I think we need to
provide a way to help users help us by providing the ability to interact
with people (Yea, #gentoo works up to a point) that can assist with
basic trouble-shooting to point people towards that which could be the
problem to help with filing better bug reports.

I've been hunting a graphics terminal corruption issue with urxvt now,
and in the man page you get this:

           [Please note that many X servers (and libXft) are buggy with
respect to "-depth 32"
           and/or alpha channels, and will cause all sorts of graphical
corruption. This is
           harmless, but we can't do anything about this, so watch out]

So where to from here?  Researching that it seems most other similar
reports relate to 4th-gen intel graphics ... heck, this was even
attributed to pango at some point, and some other dock launcher which
name I can't remember now.  I've now explicitly set depth to 24 so I'll
know soon enough if this is the issue.  To confuse the matter even more,
I've had the same corruption using aterm, and in xterm as well.  But it
*only* seems to happen with terminal emulators.

Then there is the issue I described above.

Currently I have another two or three *desktop* related issues that
plague me, none of which are easy to point where the bug may actually
be, so to file a bug given this is hard.

Anyway, count me in on bugday if I can be there at all.  This should be
interesting.

Looking at the previous bug day there is one thing I don't see:

How does this approach work?  In oher words, the lead-up and
organization seems to be fairly well spelt out - but how does it work on
the day?  When does it actually start? Or is this a world-wide rolling
time GMT+12 starts waking up until GMT-12 starts heading to bed?  This
is the opportunity to market the event.

Kind Regards,
Jaco

>
> Aisha
>
>> Guessing #gentoo may also be of help in regards to the above, so this is
>> really just a suggestion.  Yes, it will generate more bugs, but
>> hopefully the concept will allow for creating targeted bugs rather than
>> overly generic difficult to trouble-shoot bugs.
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>> Jaco
>>
>> On 2020/06/11 14:41, Aisha Tammy wrote:
>>
>>> # Gentoo BugDay
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Come join us over at #gentoo-bugday on freenode IRC on the first Saturday of every month
>>>
>>>
>>> to squash bugs and make Gentoo a bit more awesome.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> You don't need to be a Gentoo developer or even a coder to help us on BugDay.
>>>
>>>
>>> Our next BugDay is on 4th July 2020 and we have started making preparations for
>>> selecting and prioritizing bug categories for that day.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ## Bug categories
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The bug categories should be broad enough that there will be a lot of bugs being
>>>
>>> targeted.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> We keep a option poll open to everybody to help us narrow down the categories of bugs to focus.
>>>
>>>
>>> The opinion poll is there to get an input from everyone about how to best tackle the
>>>
>>>
>>> current bug situation and get an understanding of the community and developer priorities.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The poll is open at https://dudle.inf.tu-dresden.de/Bugday_2020-07-04/
>>>
>>>
>>> Be sure to vote in the poll to get your opinion heard.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ## For developers
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Even if you have never coded for Gentoo you can help us with your experience.
>>>
>>> It's always valuable to have your experience to guide us.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Things to help with
>>>
>>>
>>> - Find a related bug that piques your interest.
>>>
>>>
>>> - Look at upstream if this has been reported to them.
>>>
>>>
>>> - If not, make a bug report to the upstream developers.
>>>
>>>
>>> - If they have already seen it, check if they have managed to patch it.
>>>
>>>
>>> - If not, try to gather as much information as you can about the bug so that
>>>
>>>
>>>   it may help the developer tackling it.
>>>
>>>
>>> - Alert us at #gentoo-bugday and interact with us to see if this can be squashed.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ## For users
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Users are one of the most important part of Gentoo and this is the occasion for
>>>
>>>
>>> them to talk the developers and make your bugs looked at.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Take a look at the categories for BugDay at the poll link and the final BugDay
>>>
>>>
>>> wiki page
>>>
>>>
>>> - Find a related bug that you have experienced and has not been fixed yet
>>>
>>>
>>> - Try to see how it can be reproduced.Gnome not doing proper logins on you laptop?
>>>
>>>
>>> - The related bug reports have been ignored for months you say?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Come poke us about these bugs at #gentoo-bugday on the freenode IRC and we will
>>> begin squashing any of
>>>
>>> those that are pending.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ## Whats in it for me?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bragging rights, permanently being listed on the charts of BugDay, sense of entitlement.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Any person who helps us solve valid problems will be given the honor of being listed on
>>>
>>> the page.
>>>
>>> Even users who help related bugs and find links which make our problem solving easier
>>>
>>> will be put on a pedestal.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ## Contributors
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks a lot to jstein@ for being the gracious organizer and making sure everything
>>>
>>>
>>> goes smoothly.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> And special thanks to contributors who have worked on our previous BugDays.
>>>
>>> Past contributors:
>>>
>>>
>>> - https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Bugday_2020-06-06
>>>
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