Re: [gentoo-dev] Spam filters

[Alan]

On Fri, Sep 27, 2002 at 08:03:50AM -0700, Burton Samograd wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 27, 2002 at 02:28:08PM +0200, Henrik Treadup wrote:
> > Spam is (I assume) a problem not only for the gentoo-dev mailing list but
> > also for all other gentoo lists. Closing gentoo-dev doesn't solve the
> > problem. The other lists will still get spam.
> > Should the other lists also be closed? (Closing gentoo-newbies is probably
> > a bad idea.) The solution IMHO is a filter on the gentoo mailserver.
> >
>
> How is making the list subscriber only closing it?  I'm on about 20
> other mailing lists, all subscribe only and I get no spam on them.
> This problem has been solved long ago...there is no need to waste
> server processor cycles for spam filtering on lists.  If people are
> scared that there newbies 'won't be able to figure out' hot to
> subscribe, I'm on some music development lists where the people on
> there barely even know how to use the computer for anything else other
> than email and can still figure it out.
>
> I'm pretty sure that anybody that uses email can figure out how to
> read a page, send an email and a send a reply when they get it.

I have to agree with this.  Someone mentioned the reason was
accessability to new users, but I'm in the same situation as Burton, on
a bunch of lists, all subscriber only, except for gimp-dev (which gets
spam as well, or did when I was still receiving mail to it).  My feeling
is that if a new users isn't smart enough to go to a web page and fill
in an email, then respond to a message, will the be able to post to the
list, and then find the list archives to search for any answers?  Of
course they could just asked to be cc'd on replies, but that is bad
netiquette, and we don't want to encourage that :) 

The other thing is that the only gentoo list I'm getting spam from is
gentoo-dev, so obviously someone got it on a spam list somewhere, and
why not close down the list with the problem (and the list less likely
to get newbies on it IMHO).  

Totally OT, I installed bogofilter this morning thanks to the
suggestions on the list, and it seems to be working fine so far.  Only
one piece of spam caught, but it's one for one so far :)  Kinda wierd
when you actually *want* spam (if only to catch it!)

Regards,

Alan


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