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On Tue, 16 Feb 2016 23:00:27 -0500 |
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Richard Yao <ryao@g.o> wrote: |
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> On 02/08/2016 10:09 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: |
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> > On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 7:58 PM, Anthony G. Basile |
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> <blueness@g.o> wrote: |
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> >> what does in-house tool mean? i'm a gentoo developer but i also |
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> >> work on an upstream project (eudev) that 14 distros use. |
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> >> some of the criticism given here are my concerns as well and i've |
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> >> spoken with the various distros --- slack, parted magic, puppy. |
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> >> they get what's going on and they still see eudev is the best way |
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> >> forward for now. it may not be in the future, but neither will a |
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> >> udev extracted from a compiled full systemd codebase. |
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> > How many of those 14 distros have more than 14 users? |
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> > Look, I get it, some people don't like systemd. That's fine. |
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> > However, you have to realize at this point that a non-systemd |
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> > configuration is anything but mainstream. There will always be a |
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> > "poppyseed linux" whose purpose in life seems to be to preserve |
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> > linux without sysfs or some other obscure practice. I just think |
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> > that Gentoo should offer the choice to do those things, but have a |
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> > more mainstream set of defaults. |
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> The new mainstream is docker. Docker recently switched to Alpine |
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> Linux, which uses OpenRC+eudev: |
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> https://www.brianchristner.io/docker-is-moving-to-alpine-linux/ |
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> That dwarfs whatever marketshare systemd has in the same way that |
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> Android+iOS dwarfed whatever marketshare Windows has. |
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> If userbase is what matters to you, then OpenRC+eudev won. It is the |
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> logical choice for those concerned about userbase because that is what |
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> the Linux ecosystem will be using going forward. |
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> I do not think userbase should be the sole means by which we make |
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> decisions, but those that think otherwise should now join the |
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> eudev+OpenRC camp. It has the bigger userbase share going forward. |
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> To put it another way, the war is over. Welcome abroad. :) |
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I don't know docker well enough, but an lxc container definitely doesn't |
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use udev inside the container. |