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On Sun, Jul 30, 2006 at 10:50:31PM -0400, Seemant Kulleen wrote: |
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> On Mon, 2006-07-31 at 03:35 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: |
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> > On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 22:19:56 -0400 Mike Frysinger <vapier@g.o> |
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> > wrote: |
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> > | we take a risk with this project (like every single other |
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> > | project) ... if sunrise turns out to suck and cause problems, then we |
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> > | kill it, no big deal |
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> > How many more users and developers will have to be lost before it's |
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> > considered to "suck and cause problems"? |
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> I don't recall users having been lost to the Sunrise. I know of only |
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> one developer who left. He left in a huff, in an emotional "I'm taking |
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> toys, because I don't like them" way, without actually raising any |
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> issues that he was against, other than a nebulous concern about QA. |
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> Show me at least that concern being concrete and we have a starting |
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> place. |
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Left in a huff? I'm sorry but I don't think you fully understand the |
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reasons for Brix leaving. After Sunrise was suspended by the council |
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there was a meeting [1] between brix, the sunrise leads (genstef and |
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jokey), christel (representing user relations), myself and one or two |
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other people that showed an interest in the meeting (primarily antarus). |
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At that meeting we tried to figure out what the outstanding issues were |
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and how they could be solved. The outcome of the meeting was that |
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sunrise was to stay as an unofficial project until those issues were |
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solved - I'd like to remind everybody that genstef and jokey agreed on |
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this. Furthermore Brix was to write up his proposal on how to reach the |
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goals of sunrise in a more acceptable way (to him and other people |
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uneasy with the current sunrise project). |
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Before this could even happen genstef took upon himself to tell the |
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council that all outstanding problems have been solved although I |
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haven't seen *any* progress regarding the issues raised on that meeting. |
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I don't know if genstefs memory is just extremely bad or if he |
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purposefully misled the council or something entirely different. That's |
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not really my point either. |
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*This is my point* - Brix sees sunrise in it's current form as a project |
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with great potential to harm Gentoo. He agrees with the goals but not |
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the implementation. And no matter how hard he works at solving the |
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problems he sees genstef, jokey and the council have mostly ignored him |
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by unsuspending the project. I certainly don't blame Brix if he sees no |
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further possibility for correcting those problems and instead chooses to |
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leave the project. |
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Regards, |
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Bryan Østergaard |
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PS. Sorry genstef about picking at you but I don't know how you managed |
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to forget everything that was agreed upon on our meeting. |
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"21:56 <@Koon> Have all the reasonable objections been addressed ? |
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21:56 <@Koon> because you'll never satisfy those who want it dead anyway |
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21:56 <+genstef> I hope so. If you can point something more out to me I |
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would love to hear it" <- our meeting ended up with some concerns that |
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you even agreed to yourself by keeping sunrise unofficial. |
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[1] http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.devel/39764 |
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