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From: Raymond Jennings <shentino@×××××.com>
To: gentoo-nfp <gentoo-nfp@l.g.o>
Subject: Re: [gentoo-nfp] [RFC] Bylaws change: removing retired developers by default
Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2018 20:24:26
Message-Id: CAGDaZ_pJ80CY2m3cGaT3LEJDEn8vcBRsYNBJvT+JKSxCVgbupA@mail.gmail.com
In Reply to: [gentoo-nfp] [RFC] Bylaws change: removing retired developers by default by "Michał Górny"
1 On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 11:35 AM, Michał Górny <mgorny@g.o> wrote:
2 > Hello,
3 >
4 > As my second Bylaws change proposal, I would like to integrate
5 > Foundation membership closer with our retirement procedures. I would
6 > like the retired developers to be removed from Foundation by default,
7 > unless they explicitly ask to stay. That way, we won't have to 'clean
8 > up' inactive developers twice.
9 >
10 > The main idea would be that since Recruiters inform (or should inform)
11 > new developers that they can join the Foundation now, I think it would
12 > also be reasonable for undertakers to appropriately ask retired
13 > developers if they would like to continue their Foundation activity,
14 > and inform Trustees of the retirement otherwise.
15 >
16 > I'm not sure how to integrate it into Bylaws. However, I'd like to know
17 > your opinion on the idea.
18
19 My opinion opposes this idea.
20
21 "default fail" is not a good policy.
22
23 What if there's a technical issue? What if they can't respond for some reason?
24
25 I'd just leave well enough alone and keep it a separate issue.
26
27 And I do not think that retirement as a developer (staff or ebuild or
28 otherwise) is a good reason to soft-remove a developer from foundation
29 membership barring an objection.
30
31 At present, if they voted in time they have cause to stay as a member,
32 and if they're already inactive as a voter then they're already
33 subject to removal anyway.
34
35 I don't think we need to make it easier for foundation members to
36 retire through inaction. This just makes a loophole that a foundation
37 member could trip over by accident. In my opinion, since they can
38 already be removed by failing to vote, automatically removing a
39 retired developer unless they object is redundant.
40
41 Also, I do not think that it's wise to make assumptions like this on
42 behalf of foundation members, that they want to be removed unless they
43 say otherwise.
44
45 Plus there's always the chance that something screwy happens and they
46 get removed against their will. What if they're busy? What if their
47 email bounces? There are contingencies, and I don't see a reason to
48 invite Murphy's law into this.

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