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From: "Michał Górny" <mgorny@g.o>
To: "William L. Thomson Jr." <wlt-ml@××××××.com>
Cc: gentoo-project@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] ComRel / disciplinary action reform proposal
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2017 18:26:11
Message-Id: 20170118192553.2e54667a.mgorny@gentoo.org
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-project] ComRel / disciplinary action reform proposal by "William L. Thomson Jr."
1 On Wed, 18 Jan 2017 12:31:14 -0500
2 "William L. Thomson Jr." <wlt-ml@××××××.com> wrote:
3
4 > On Tuesday, January 17, 2017 7:05:30 PM EST Michał Górny wrote:
5 > > On Tue, 17 Jan 2017 06:38:10 -0800
6 > >
7 > > Daniel Campbell <zlg@g.o> wrote:
8 > > >
9 > > > I think a more fair restriction would be to place it on Comrel and
10 > > > Council, as they are being trusted to not share private information.
11 > > > What the two (or more?) sides do in a dispute isn't something we can
12 > > > reasonably control, except on our own infrastructure. I find it
13 > > > unnecessary and meaningless to place sanctions on users or other
14 > > > participants of a conflict if they choose to make their communications
15 > > > public. It's /their/ dirty laundry, after all.
16 > >
17 > > This particular point, aside to ensuring that teams keep the necessary
18 > > secrecy, serves the goals:
19 > >
20 > > 1. to discourage users from taking 'revenge' on others by disclosing
21 > > their secrets,
22 > >
23 > > 2. to discourage users from bickering and turning Gentoo into a public
24 > > stoning place whenever they are unhappy with a disciplinary decision.
25 > >
26 > > The first point is more important. Consider the following case. Alice
27 > > tells Bob her secret. Some time later Bob starts bullying Alice.
28 > > Eventually, Alice files a complaint at ComRel and Bob gets banned. Now,
29 > > Bob wants to reveal Alice's secret to take revenge on her.
30 >
31 > Making everything public ensures no secrets. Privacy and secrecy should not
32 > exist or be needed for a public open source project. With the only exception
33 > being security vulnerabilities for obvious reason.
34 >
35 > Any event being handled likely started in public to begin with, thus should
36 > remain that way for 100% transparency. Also to ensure no problems with leaking
37 > or making private/secret information public. Solves many problems.
38
39 I can understand that you have no life outside Gentoo but some people
40 do, and they have a right to keep them private.
41
42 --
43 Best regards,
44 Michał Górny
45 <http://dev.gentoo.org/~mgorny/>

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