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On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 6:08 AM, Kent Fredric <kentnl@g.o> wrote: |
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> But for regulating misbehaving operators who can trivially find a new |
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> identity to hide behind, these tools as presented so far seem a bit |
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> toothless. |
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> Unless this proposal suggests that all new senders are themselves, |
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> defacto-censored. |
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As many have pointed out, people can just get around bans by creating |
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new identities. That won't be an issue for devs, but certainly it is |
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an issue for non-devs. |
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I don't really see the point in doing moderation unless it is |
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before-the-fact. We'll just be playing whack-a-mole and making people |
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upset without actually changing anything. |
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Yes, doing it before the fact has both philosophical and practical |
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challenges. We need to accept those and make a decision one way or |
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the other. I think this is one of those cases where either decision |
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is better than compromise. If we don't have the manpower to moderate |
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posts by non-devs then we shouldn't moderate them at all. If we |
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consider it against our values then we shouldn't. |
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I also think we need to be consistent. If we're going to moderate, |
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then do it everywhere, or at least be prepared to do it everywhere |
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without further debate when problems arise. If we're not going to |
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moderate, then we should just embrace the results. I think that |
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having more moderation on some forums than others just creates the |
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inevitable complaint on one forum when somebody can't post on another, |
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and we have no principle to fall back on. |
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> But if we set up a system where new contributors are defacto-censored, ... |
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> that's not really the sort of Gentoo I want to be part of. |
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Honestly, I think we'll lose people either way (and we probably have |
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been losing them for years with the status quo). Certainly they'll be |
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different people, but there isn't really any hard data one way or the |
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other as to which will have the larger impact. Trying to collect some |
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kind of data around preferences might help here, though I'm not sure |
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it will make anybody more/less happy with the outcome either way. |
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