Re: [gentoo-project] Require OpenPGP signatures from existing devs on new developer applications?

[Yury German]

Can we please take the off topic discussion to somewhere else. This thread was very specific about GPG. If you want to turn it in to an off topic discussion (as usual) please start another thread that people can ignore. 
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> On Jan 5, 2017, at 1:40 PM, William L. Thomson Jr. <wlt-ml@××××××.com> wrote:
>
> On Thursday, January 5, 2017 1:19:19 PM EST Rich Freeman wrote:
>> On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 1:00 PM, William L. Thomson Jr.
>>
>> <wlt-ml@××××××.com> wrote:
>>> I also had thoughts of helping to provide funds for travel to developers,
>>> and in a utopian world also provide development gear, laptop, etc. Gentoo
>>> being a 501c6 like the NFL was, and PGA Tour. The PGA Tour provides
>>> laptops to members, Tiger Woods etc. Gentoo could be doing the same with
>>> proper organization, and a functional foundation.
>>>
>>> So many things are possible with proper organization, leadership, and a
>>> strong foundation....
>>
>> Perhaps you mean a professional leadership and lots of money?  I'm not
>> convinced the average Gentoo developer would like Gentoo to run like
>> the NFL, Canonical, or even Apache.  None of these are small
>> community-based organizations.
>
> Works for FreeBSD, Gnome and many others. The idea is not to keep Gentoo
> small. Also not to continue to run Gentoo via consensus. Even democracies
> elect leaders who have their own agenda. They are not doing everything the way
> everyone who voted for them would want everything done.
>
> It is called Leadership! Most leaders do not lead by consensus. To lead you
> will at times do things that will make others unhappy. While they may not be
> happy with process, it is the outcome that matters. If people do not like the
> outcome, new leader, new direction.
>
> Every decision or action does not have to please everyone. Most organizations
> are not run that way, if any. That sort of thinking will keep things in a
> quagmire. You cannot please everyone all the time, or even some of the time.
> Still must be leadership to reach some direction that is felt to be the best
> for all.
>
> Why leaders are typically elected more on ideals than a specific agenda. Not
> sure anyone who has voted for someone, agrees with every decision that leader
> made.
>
>> I'd love to see something like an annual Gentoo conference, but part
>> of me wonders if the changes we'd need to make to have such a thing
>> would leave us happy with the result.
>
> Why do people need to be happy? The difference between work and play is?
>
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> William L. Thomson Jr.