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From: Alec Warner <antarus@g.o>
To: gentoo-project <gentoo-project@l.g.o>
Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Merging Trustees and Council / Developers and Foundation
Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2017 18:43:21
Message-Id: CAAr7Pr_TG5UZJF4jUFekLq1Ni1Rg6m6ez8hTKzdpcKg3qCA6fg@mail.gmail.com
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-project] Merging Trustees and Council / Developers and Foundation by "William L. Thomson Jr."
1 On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 12:37 PM, William L. Thomson Jr. <wlt-ml@××××××.com>
2 wrote:
3
4 > On Friday, January 6, 2017 9:26:50 AM EST Alec Warner wrote:
5 > >
6 > > I don't wish to speculate on the legalities for each person, so to
7 > simplify
8 > > I equate "One cannot legally join the foundation" and "One does not want
9 > to
10 > > join a US based foundation." I think nominally I want to avoid the
11 > > hypothetical case. So either we have people who are unable to join a US
12 > > based foundation (either out of legal risk, or personal preference). How
13 > do
14 > > we support this use case?
15 >
16 > I do not think there is any difference between being a member or a
17 > developer.
18 > If you cannot legally be a member, you likely cannot legally be a
19 > developer. I
20 > can see US courts being more concerned with committers than members.
21 > Members
22 > can only can vote, maybe sue the foundation though any individual could as
23 > well. Committers can do far worse, malicious commit, etc.
24 >
25
26 Like I said, I wanted to avoid legal speculation. So lets assume a person
27 can legally be a member of the US foundation, but for undisclosed reasons
28 that person chooses not to do so.
29
30 Should that person still be able to be a developer?
31 Will gentoo still accept contributions from that person?
32
33 This is my reading of the point Andreas is trying to raise. I suspect it is
34 solvable as you mention, by letting developers opt-out of being legally a
35 part of the Foundation (as is the case today.) The concern of course is
36 that if too many developers opt out we end up with a similar problem that
37 we have today (not enough foundation members.)
38
39 The benefit of a merged structure is that only voting developers vote for
40 the merged board; so if one was to abstain from being a foundation member
41 they could also lose the benefit of voting for the board (so they can't
42 choose council members for example.) This is a loss of influence compared
43 to the current system but could provide some incentive for developers to
44 retain nominal involvement outside of being a simple committer.
45
46 -A
47
48
49 > A simple opt out of foundation membership should suffice in both cases.
50 > Auto
51 > add, but allow for exclusion. Maybe a form saying they know they are
52 > waiving
53 > their right to vote for choice. I am not sure the not legally able to be a
54 > member is really an issues as it would more pertain to developers and
55 > staff.
56 >
57 > --
58 > William L. Thomson Jr.
59 >

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