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From: "Andreas K. Huettel" <dilfridge@g.o>
To: gentoo-project@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Metastructure: reorganization (Was: Call for agenda items - Council meeting 2013-11-12)
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 22:48:30
Message-Id: 201310292348.43755.dilfridge@gentoo.org
In Reply to: [gentoo-project] Metastructure: reorganization (Was: Call for agenda items - Council meeting 2013-11-12) by Ulrich Mueller
1 Am Dienstag, 29. Oktober 2013, 23:15:45 schrieb Ulrich Mueller:
2 > >>>>> On Tue, 29 Oct 2013, Andreas K Huettel wrote:
3 > > If you look at our metastructure page, it's a bit of a mess. Some
4 > > careful rearrangement might make sense... How about this:
5 > >
6 > > 1) top level project "Gentoo Programming Resources"
7 > >
8 > > - title in table is wrong, should be (according to project page)
9 > >
10 > > "Gentoo Resources for Programming Languages", or just "Programming
11 > > Languages"
12 > >
13 > > - has subprojects ada, haskell, ruby
14 > >
15 > > proposed action: move java, lisp, perl, php, python in there as
16 > > additional subprojects
17 >
18 > GLEP 39 defines a project as "a group of developers working towards a
19 > goal".
20 >
21 > I don't see what we would gain by collecting several unrelated
22 > projects under an umbrella TLP. Are there any resources that can be
23 > shared, or is there a large overlap between devs working in the
24 > different language projects? In short, what problem are you trying to
25 > solve?
26
27 Actually for asking this question you've picked the best example...
28
29 Imagine the poor KDE guys sorting out the language bindings for Ruby, Python,
30 Java, and C#. Each comes with its own approach to solve the same problems, and
31 with its own completely disjunct eclass syntax.
32
33 Imagine updating your system after a while and then remembering that you need
34 to run python-cleaner and perl-updater (and what was the syntax there again?).
35
36 Maybe there isn't too much overlap right now, but people talking to each other
37 would certainly help, and the problems are certainly related.
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40 This is the most important thing, and similar ideas also apply to the two
41 other proposals. (PR, CoC enforcement and Ops are certainly related tasks?)
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44 There's two additional motivations from my side.
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46 One is my stereotypical German preference for cleanlyness and order. Or maybe
47 it's just that part of leaving a professional impression is also that you
48 don't just have a messy list of unordered projects.
49
50 The other one is that on the long run we might reconsider the role of umbrella
51 project leads. I'm not so sure yet what we should do there though...
52 Strengthen, give them tasks? some loose oversight that subprojects follow
53 formalities? Abandon?
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55 --
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57 Andreas K. Huettel
58 Gentoo Linux developer
59 dilfridge@g.o
60 http://www.akhuettel.de/

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Re: [gentoo-project] Metastructure: reorganization Ulrich Mueller <ulm@g.o>