1 |
On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 07:15:38 -0500 |
2 |
"William L. Thomson Jr." <wlt-ml@××××××.com> wrote: |
3 |
|
4 |
> On Thursday, December 1, 2016 9:46:14 AM EST Michał Górny wrote: |
5 |
> > |
6 |
> > There is a difference between operating in public from day one, |
7 |
> > and asking someone to expose possibly-confidential facts. |
8 |
> > For the latter, you need agreement of all interested parties. |
9 |
> |
10 |
> Please this is Gentoo, what really needs to be confidential? This is not |
11 |
> proprietary stuff. This is not governmental secretive work. Nothing need be |
12 |
> confidential. Point blank period. |
13 |
|
14 |
Well, since you suggested cultural differences already... I don't know |
15 |
what your culture suggests but if someone confides in me, I don't go |
16 |
repeating what he told me on a public mailing list. |
17 |
|
18 |
> > Did you ever estimate how much harm to actual Gentoo development do |
19 |
> > never-ending mailing list threads that bring no point whatsoever except |
20 |
> > for provoking a lot of developers to reply, who would otherwise be |
21 |
> > doing technical work on Gentoo? |
22 |
> |
23 |
> Given the fact Gentoo mailing lists go inactive for periods of time. Given the |
24 |
> fact that lots of things have issues no one notices. You are assuming Gentoo |
25 |
> is much more popular that it is. |
26 |
> |
27 |
> You are also assuming I am not doing any work.... |
28 |
> |
29 |
> If I wasn't limited to commenting on lists, Maybe Gentoo would be benefiting |
30 |
> from my work. Work that needs to be done per things you have proposed but |
31 |
> expect others to do the leg work like EAPI 6 changes etc. |
32 |
> |
33 |
> Just because you get no benefit from a lengthy thread on a mailing list. Do not |
34 |
> assume others or the larger community has no interest. |
35 |
> |
36 |
> Sorry Michał Górny Gentoo is bigger than just YOU. You are not the sole |
37 |
> developer or community member. Deal with it! |
38 |
|
39 |
Did you ever count how many community members have unsubscribed from |
40 |
the lists because of your posts? Maybe I'm one of the few who are blunt |
41 |
enough to tell it straight to you but this is what's happening. |
42 |
And it's not limited to you, of course. |
43 |
|
44 |
Why I don't do that? Because I still want to have some influence |
45 |
on Gentoo. I don't want to learn that someone did something silly |
46 |
because everyone ignored the thread, so obviously there was no |
47 |
opposition. |
48 |
|
49 |
Of course you could consider that what you're doing has some positive |
50 |
effect. For example, Gentoo is gaining new mailing lists so that people |
51 |
can discuss on very specific topics without having to filter out all |
52 |
the noise. |
53 |
|
54 |
-- |
55 |
Best regards, |
56 |
Michał Górny |
57 |
<http://dev.gentoo.org/~mgorny/> |