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From: "Michał Górny" <mgorny@g.o>
To: "William L. Thomson Jr." <wlt-ml@××××××.com>
Cc: gentoo-project@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Evidence of idella4's damage to Gentoo, please
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2016 15:42:05
Message-Id: 20161201164153.0ea600b5.mgorny@gentoo.org
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-project] Evidence of idella4's damage to Gentoo, please by "William L. Thomson Jr."
1 On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 07:15:38 -0500
2 "William L. Thomson Jr." <wlt-ml@××××××.com> wrote:
3
4 > On Thursday, December 1, 2016 9:46:14 AM EST Michał Górny wrote:
5 > >
6 > > There is a difference between operating in public from day one,
7 > > and asking someone to expose possibly-confidential facts.
8 > > For the latter, you need agreement of all interested parties.
9 >
10 > Please this is Gentoo, what really needs to be confidential? This is not
11 > proprietary stuff. This is not governmental secretive work. Nothing need be
12 > confidential. Point blank period.
13
14 Well, since you suggested cultural differences already... I don't know
15 what your culture suggests but if someone confides in me, I don't go
16 repeating what he told me on a public mailing list.
17
18 > > Did you ever estimate how much harm to actual Gentoo development do
19 > > never-ending mailing list threads that bring no point whatsoever except
20 > > for provoking a lot of developers to reply, who would otherwise be
21 > > doing technical work on Gentoo?
22 >
23 > Given the fact Gentoo mailing lists go inactive for periods of time. Given the
24 > fact that lots of things have issues no one notices. You are assuming Gentoo
25 > is much more popular that it is.
26 >
27 > You are also assuming I am not doing any work....
28 >
29 > If I wasn't limited to commenting on lists, Maybe Gentoo would be benefiting
30 > from my work. Work that needs to be done per things you have proposed but
31 > expect others to do the leg work like EAPI 6 changes etc.
32 >
33 > Just because you get no benefit from a lengthy thread on a mailing list. Do not
34 > assume others or the larger community has no interest.
35 >
36 > Sorry Michał Górny Gentoo is bigger than just YOU. You are not the sole
37 > developer or community member. Deal with it!
38
39 Did you ever count how many community members have unsubscribed from
40 the lists because of your posts? Maybe I'm one of the few who are blunt
41 enough to tell it straight to you but this is what's happening.
42 And it's not limited to you, of course.
43
44 Why I don't do that? Because I still want to have some influence
45 on Gentoo. I don't want to learn that someone did something silly
46 because everyone ignored the thread, so obviously there was no
47 opposition.
48
49 Of course you could consider that what you're doing has some positive
50 effect. For example, Gentoo is gaining new mailing lists so that people
51 can discuss on very specific topics without having to filter out all
52 the noise.
53
54 --
55 Best regards,
56 Michał Górny
57 <http://dev.gentoo.org/~mgorny/>

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