Re: [gentoo-project] Evidence of idella4's damage to Gentoo, please

[William L. Thomson Jr.]

We have never had good interactions. If you do not have something on a 
neutral technical nature to discuss with me. Again I will repeat. Why do you 
bother replying to my posts and purposely seeking to interact with me rather 
than avoid?

I do my best to avoid you, please try to the same, thank you!

On Thursday, December 1, 2016 4:41:53 PM EST Michał Górny wrote:
>
> Well, since you suggested cultural differences already... I don't know
> what your culture suggests but if someone confides in me, I don't go
> repeating what he told me on a public mailing list.

We come from different countries, thus different cultures. What may not be 
rude or impolite to yours may be to mine. Thus your approach most times coming 
off as not friendly, rude, insulting, and not inviting for others to want to 
be on the receiving end of Michal Gorny's comments....

With regard to your implication. If something is not requested to be kept 
private, I tend to not think what they are saying need be hidden from the 
world. I also believe knowing who I am speaking with, I am not sharing 
anything they would actually mind. Thus your just making something out of 
nothing. Assuming another might take issue.

This happened before with a post I made about Daniel Robbins. It was falsely 
reported to Daniel. He was angry at first. Then we discussed it, and he THANKED 
ME for making a private email public. He also apologized for having been 
mislead about me sharing private information publicly.
  
> Did you ever count how many community members have unsubscribed from
> the lists because of your posts? Maybe I'm one of the few who are blunt
> enough to tell it straight to you but this is what's happening.
> And it's not limited to you, of course.

Do you have any numbers from infra to confirm this?
At the same time do people start to subscribe from your posts?

I know for a fact based on interacting with you. How you conduct yourself will 
drive way more people away from Gentoo than it will ever attract.

You can say what ever you like about me, and think what ever. But I can prove 
you wrong at many turns with facts. Like that I provided on -nfp activity or 
lack there of before and after me. The same goes for Java. There was no Java 
team when I joined. Most all devs that were on that team came after me. I 
helped organize meetings and many things that fell apart in my absence.

We have very different styles. 

> Why I don't do that? Because I still want to have some influence
> on Gentoo. I don't want to learn that someone did something silly
> because everyone ignored the thread, so obviously there was no
> opposition.

From my perspective you seem to want to run Gentoo. You seem to want to drive 
the agenda on many things. You seem to think you are the ultimate authority. 
You also seem to realize how abrasive and unfriendly you are at times. Either 
intentional or not. It does not make working with you pleasant in anyway.

At times when I have tried to get your help, you provided very little. At that 
same time, I emailed Diego Elio Pettenò on auto tools related questions. He 
was VERY friendly and helpful. I had not had any contact with him in a long 
time. He was overseas in Asia very busy but still made time to reply to my 
email with an in depth reply that took time.

> Of course you could consider that what you're doing has some positive
> effect. For example, Gentoo is gaining new mailing lists so that people
> can discuss on very specific topics without having to filter out all
> the noise.

Mentioned by 1 person... How many are subscribed to this list? What percentage 
of list subscribers is represented but that comment?

For all that you accuse me of, I recommend you self reflect on your own 
actions, behavior and demeanor. If I had not had a history with Gentoo, and 
did not have many systems running it for some time that is not easy to switch 
to another. I would NEVER join Gentoo seeing people like you around.

At the same time, when you were talking about leaving Gentoo I said stay. Do I 
like Michał Górny. No! I do not like Michał Górny. I think he is very rude, 
unfriendly, impolite, disrespectful, and disagree with much of how he conducts 
himself.

HOWEVER, Michał Górny does have allot of technical skills to contribute to 
Gentoo. So despite his many social flaws, which I can overlook and deal with. 
He should remain a part of Gentoo for technical benefits and reasons.

There is no better proof than that, for why comrel need not exist, and why 
people can work with and be around those they dislike. It is called being a 
professional, an adult...

-- 
William L. Thomson Jr.