Re: [gentoo-project] Evidence of idella4's damage to Gentoo, please

[Ian Delaney]

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On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 11:33:19 -0500

"William L. Thomson Jr." <wlt-ml@××××××.com> wrote:



>  We have never had good interactions. If you do not have something on
> a neutral technical nature to discuss with me. Again I will repeat.
> Why do you bother replying to my posts and purposely seeking to
> interact with me rather than avoid?
>
> I do my best to avoid you, please try to the same, thank you!
>
> On Thursday, December 1, 2016 4:41:53 PM EST Michał Górny wrote:
> >
> > Well, since you suggested cultural differences already... I don't
> > know what your culture suggests but if someone confides in me, I
> > don't go repeating what he told me on a public mailing list.
>
> We come from different countries, thus different cultures. What may
> not be rude or impolite to yours may be to mine. Thus your approach
> most times coming off as not friendly, rude, insulting, and not
> inviting for others to want to be on the receiving end of Michal
> Gorny's comments....
>
> With regard to your implication. If something is not requested to be
> kept private, I tend to not think what they are saying need be hidden
> from the world. I also believe knowing who I am speaking with, I am
> not sharing anything they would actually mind. Thus your just making
> something out of nothing. Assuming another might take issue.
>
> This happened before with a post I made about Daniel Robbins. It was
> falsely reported to Daniel. He was angry at first. Then we discussed
> it, and he THANKED ME for making a private email public. He also
> apologized for having been mislead about me sharing private
> information publicly.
> > Did you ever count how many community members have unsubscribed from
> > the lists because of your posts? Maybe I'm one of the few who are
> > blunt enough to tell it straight to you but this is what's
> > happening. And it's not limited to you, of course.
>
> Do you have any numbers from infra to confirm this?
> At the same time do people start to subscribe from your posts?
>
> I know for a fact based on interacting with you. How you conduct
> yourself will drive way more people away from Gentoo than it will
> ever attract.
>
> You can say what ever you like about me, and think what ever. But I
> can prove you wrong at many turns with facts. Like that I provided on
> -nfp activity or lack there of before and after me. The same goes for
> Java. There was no Java team when I joined. Most all devs that were
> on that team came after me. I helped organize meetings and many
> things that fell apart in my absence.
>
> We have very different styles.
>
> > Why I don't do that? Because I still want to have some influence
> > on Gentoo. I don't want to learn that someone did something silly
> > because everyone ignored the thread, so obviously there was no
> > opposition.
>
> From my perspective you seem to want to run Gentoo. You seem to want
> to drive the agenda on many things. You seem to think you are the
> ultimate authority. You also seem to realize how abrasive and
> unfriendly you are at times. Either intentional or not. It does not
> make working with you pleasant in anyway.
>
> At times when I have tried to get your help, you provided very
> little. At that same time, I emailed Diego Elio Pettenò on auto tools
> related questions. He was VERY friendly and helpful. I had not had
> any contact with him in a long time. He was overseas in Asia very
> busy but still made time to reply to my email with an in depth reply
> that took time.
>
> > Of course you could consider that what you're doing has some
> > positive effect. For example, Gentoo is gaining new mailing lists
> > so that people can discuss on very specific topics without having
> > to filter out all the noise.
>
> Mentioned by 1 person... How many are subscribed to this list? What
> percentage of list subscribers is represented but that comment?
>
> For all that you accuse me of, I recommend you self reflect on your
> own actions, behavior and demeanor. If I had not had a history with
> Gentoo, and did not have many systems running it for some time that
> is not easy to switch to another. I would NEVER join Gentoo seeing
> people like you around.
>
> At the same time, when you were talking about leaving Gentoo I said
> stay. Do I like Michał Górny. No! I do not like Michał Górny. I think
> he is very rude, unfriendly, impolite, disrespectful, and disagree
> with much of how he conducts himself.
>
> HOWEVER, Michał Górny does have allot of technical skills to
> contribute to Gentoo. So despite his many social flaws, which I can
> overlook and deal with. He should remain a part of Gentoo for
> technical benefits and reasons.
>
> There is no better proof than that, for why comrel need not exist,
> and why people can work with and be around those they dislike. It is
> called being a professional, an adult...
>


Right conversation, wrong thread.

This was meant to be about me :)



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kind regards



Ian Delaney

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