Re: [gentoo-project] Comrel Improvements: Expectations of Privacy

[William L. Thomson Jr.]

On Monday, October 3, 2016 12:57:06 PM EDT Raymond Jennings wrote:
> I think the fact that this post about comrel wound up stirring up angry
> hurt feelings from the past is evidence that there may have been some
> serious errors in the past.
>
> I would at least like to see that this sort of mistake doesn't happen
> again.
>
> William's appeal, though apparently meritorious, might be off topic to
> this general discussion about comrel policy?
>
> Ok, so the issues I see so far
>
> * William was apparently never notified of the ban from nfp
>
> Solution: When someone is banned from any venue, they are notified by
> some sort of official means.  NOBODY should be surprised after the
> fact, especially if comrel intends to enforce consequences with
> suspending developer privileges in the event of a breach.

Per policy they are supposed to be contacted to resolve matters before any 
action is taken.

" Important
Before applying any of the following disciplinary policies, the ComRel team 
will try to discuss the problem with the offender in order to solve it in a 
more peaceful way. However, it is possible for the ComRel team to apply the 
penalty without further discussions in severe CoC violations (direct attacks, 
insults, name-calling etc)."
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:ComRel

They never contacted me before or after the ban on -nfp.

In 2015. I was silenced in the #comrel IRC channel. Which also goes directly 
against their own policy. As the 24 hour ban should come after contact. But 
when you are in "THEIR" channel as it was even called in the IRC logs. You are 
subject to what ever they can do within their power, policy or not.

"[00:59:36] <jmbsvicetto> wltjr: Stop spamming our channel
[00:59:39] <wltjr> I so knew better, and things were proceeding with jlec till 
he talked to someone I can only assume, since the ohters are newer
[00:59:44] <wltjr> jmbsvicetto: its NOT YOUR CHANNEL
[00:59:50] <wltjr> its a community channel, and I am still a foundation member 
fool
[01:00:00] <jmbsvicetto> If you want to stay here and wait for an answer, do 
it. But stop wasting our time
[01:00:07] <wltjr> jmbsvicetto: this belongs to the GENTOO FOUNDATION and it a 
public freenode channel and its hardly spam
[01:00:14] <wltjr> jmbsvicetto: if you don't like it, ingore it your IRC 
client should support
[01:00:19] *** Modus #gentoo-comrel +b wltjr!*@* by dilfridge
[01:03:34] <-- wltjr (~wltjr@unaffiliated/wltjr) hat #gentoo-comrel verlassen"
https://bugs.gentoo.org/attachment.cgi?id=397252

I never directly attacked, called anyone names, insults etc.  I guess fool 
could be seen as a name calling, but I can thank of many much more harsh and 
using fowl language. Though one comment implying lack of thick skin could be 
taken out of context and seen as profanity. Though I have seen far worse.

Pussified/Pussification
"pussification(noun): the state in which a society becomes less and less tough. 
This noun's originator is the famous comedian George Carlin."
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pussification

If you look at the reasoning for 2015, there isn't any. No clear violation of 
CoC, no mention of anything. But implies I was calling people names, and 
exploding over mailing lists. Despite the fact I have not been in any Gentoo 
mailing list in years. I could easily if I wanted like with these threads.
https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=135927#c43

If we were talking straight CoC. Its likely members of comrel/devrel would 
have faced policing action themselves.... There were much greater policy 
violations by their own members...

-- 
William L. Thomson Jr.