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Hi Mart, |
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I agree with every sentence from your email. |
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Rich made a great example about the rabbit hole. I don't think we |
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should blindly follow the social contract. |
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Just want to add that Github has pushed forward so many open source |
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projects that we must ask ourselves a different question: |
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Is Gentoo willing to say "no" to the new users, developers and the |
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speed of development just because Github is not FOSS? |
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As Rich said, Gentoo has always been a bit pragmatic. I think it |
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should be an easy question for any pragmatic team. |
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On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 3:23 AM, Mart Raudsepp <leio@g.o> wrote: |
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> On L, 2015-02-14 at 16:37 -0500, Rich Freeman wrote: |
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>> On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 3:48 PM, Andreas K. Huettel |
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>> <dilfridge@g.o> wrote: |
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>> > We need to resolve this discussion somehow, by formulating a clear policy. |
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>> > Which is why I'm putting it up here for discussion and will ask to add it to |
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>> > the next council meeting agenda. |
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>> I tend to agree with what seems to be the general sentiment. As long |
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>> as we still accept patches via bugzilla/etc, then we aren't |
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>> "depending" on github. |
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>> FOSS alternatives are to be preferred, but since we don't have those |
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>> set up, I don't see why we have to live without anything in the |
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>> meantime. If somebody wants to host such a thing, I'd encourage them |
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>> to do so, and work with infra if they'll accept help. |
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> That is a good question. |
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> I'm sorry if I am the only one to point this out, but: |
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> We do NOT have even a WEB VIEW of our OFFICIAL overlays to see what is |
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> going on there without BLINDLY cloning git URIs randomly! |
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> Why should contributors care ONE BIT about things outside their comfort |
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> zone of contributions, which is github in many cases these days? |
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> After 6 months of complete blindness on official overlays, I was |
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> eventually pointed at an outside cgit which shows what's going on there. |
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> After 2 years of talking, we are still using CVS. |
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> It is not surprising one bit that GitHub is the last hope to people |
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> hoping to help out, with some folks willing to get their contributions |
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> to actually MATTER. |
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> We have failed the community to provide any reasonable free software |
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> ways to contribute. So semi-open source ways it is. |
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> With all the respect to the infra team they have done with their |
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> existing capabilities, but we need to do better and find better ways to |
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> achieve what we can with existing resources and fix this completely sad |
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> state. |
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> Mart |
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