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From: Rich Freeman <rich0@g.o>
To: gentoo-project <gentoo-project@l.g.o>
Cc: "Paweł Hajdan, Jr." <phajdan.jr@g.o>
Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Call for agenda items - Council meeting 2018-05-13
Date: Thu, 03 May 2018 12:44:08
Message-Id: CAGfcS_noAyQXTD7pL=dhATUeZUEK0Rg56KpyZLiZB3oH6iQUsQ@mail.gmail.com
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-project] Call for agenda items - Council meeting 2018-05-13 by Raymond Jennings
1 On Thu, May 3, 2018 at 7:43 AM Raymond Jennings <shentino@×××××.com> wrote:
2 > On Thu, May 3, 2018 at 4:30 AM, Kristian Fiskerstrand <k_f@g.o>
3 wrote:
4 > > On 05/02/2018 11:52 PM, Paweł Hajdan, Jr. wrote:
5 > >> On 02/05/2018 23:11, Raymond Jennings wrote:
6 > >>> My goal is to highlight any possible lack of needed resources in this
7 area.
8 > >>>
9 > >>> I, as a user, have noticed very slow response times on dealing with
10 > >>> games bugs, and I was curious if added attention would highlight any
11 > >>> deficiencies.
12 > >>>
13 > >>> Also, I was curious if I was the only user having trouble in this
14 area.
15 > >>>
16 > >>> I deduced that the audit I mentioned would shed light on the
17 situation.
18 > >> Just got a thought: is this type of thing for a Council meeting agenda,
19 > >> or just something we (you?) could do on the mailing list?
20 > >
21 > > I don't see any specific action requested from council, one action the
22 > > council could do in theory is of course mandate a mass-treecleaning or
23 > > removal of keywords of the unmaintained packages, but I doubt that is
24 > > something the OP wants.
25
26 > More like I'm curious how aware the council is of manpower/progress
27 statistics.
28
29 > Does the council have the information it needs to monitor the health
30 > of the project as a whole?
31
32
33 And what would be done with this information?
34
35 I'm sure the games metrics would be dismal, as would be the metrics for
36 many categories. I suspect you already believe this as well, as do most of
37 the Council members. So, what is the point of this exercise?
38
39 It isn't like you need some kind of special access to analyze our
40 bugs/commits. Everything is open. If somebody wants to post the metrics
41 they should feel free to do so. Do we need the Council to vote on a
42 resolution "encouraging members of the community to post metrics for
43 projects they are interested in, including games, or create tools to
44 automate this?"
45
46 The problem isn't measuring activity within categories. The problem is
47 doing anything about it.
48
49 Also, I'd again like to point out that games != packages maintained by
50 games@g.o, since it seems like we spent an inordinate amount of time trying
51 to break this connection in previous years. You don't need permission from
52 the games alias to maintain a game, just as you don't need permission from
53 the python alias to maintain a package that uses python, or permission from
54 the openrc alias to install an init.d script for a package. So, if
55 somebody is interested in metrics on games I wouldn't measure it based on
56 packages/bugs assigned to games@g.o, unless you're interested very
57 specifically in things like the games eclass and so on.
58
59 --
60 Rich

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Re: [gentoo-project] Call for agenda items - Council meeting 2018-05-13 "M. J. Everitt" <m.j.everitt@×××.org>