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From: Raymond Jennings <shentino@×××××.com>
To: gentoo-project@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] call for agenda items -- council meeting 2019-04-14
Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2019 21:03:48
Message-Id: CAGDaZ_oa90ceRBADV0JZJzQfyw2cPZ1hMCPYsCHWK1UY6xv6zQ@mail.gmail.com
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-project] call for agenda items -- council meeting 2019-04-14 by Rich Freeman
1 The only thing that I can say is that obfuscating one's real identity could
2 cause problems in the following areas:
3
4 1. Accountability in terms of any problems caused, either by malice or
5 incompetence. For analogy, using caller ID to trace someone who may or may
6 not have been spoofing their ID
7 2. copyright law, which is likely to be obvious in terms of grants or
8 licenses, especially in the face of the GPL (of any version), and who owns
9 which copyright can possibly be traced by the inclusion of real life
10 identity. This also relates to point 1.
11 3. people doing gentoo work on company time may well forfeit their
12 copyright interest to their employer under "work for hire", depending on
13 jurisdiction and/or what arrangements are made. Said employer may be able
14 to veto the wishes of the actual author, and may have their own legal
15 department/law firm on retainer, and have deeper legal pockets to sue with
16 if they want to object. In my opinion, having a "paper trail" of sorts to
17 follow is essential both to track down legal problems and discourage anyone
18 from causing them, also in relation to points 1 and 2 above.
19
20 The details of how this is achieved is of course up to the proper people,
21 but my personal opinion is that requiring a linux kernel style "sign-off"
22 that at a minimum includes the real, legal name of the author of the change
23 being committed is an important part of the process that at a minimum makes
24 sure that said author is involved in the process of accountability,
25 especially if any problems arise from it (legal or technical or otherwise)
26
27 On Tue, Apr 9, 2019 at 1:56 PM Rich Freeman <rich0@g.o> wrote:
28
29 > On Tue, Apr 9, 2019 at 4:45 PM Alec Warner <antarus@g.o> wrote:
30 > >
31 > > That being said I don't intend to forge a policy that is bullet-proof.
32 > If I cannot trust fellow project members to act well, they might as well
33 > just leave the project now.
34 >
35 > ++
36 >
37 > Ultimately if somebody with commit access wants to create trouble
38 > there are a lot of things they can do that are far more harmful than
39 > using a fake name. I think we just need to be reasonable.
40 >
41 > Usually the standard that is used in courts at least in the US is
42 > reasonable care, and it has no hard definition, other than basically
43 > being the amount of care a normal person would exercise to do the
44 > right thing. If you want to find out whether something is or isn't
45 > reasonable care the easiest way is to get sued, or sue somebody else,
46 > and then after a few years you get an answer, and maybe a judgment.
47 >
48 > I think there are probably some legal benefits to requiring a real
49 > name, but personally I think there are more benefits beyond that. I
50 > think it tends to create a more professional atmosphere when people
51 > are conversing with "Alec Warner" and not "Boaty McBoatface" or
52 > whatever. Also, having some kind of reputational risk probably does
53 > help cut down on the trolling somewhat. Maybe...
54 >
55 > If you wanted to put Gentoo on your resume would you really want a
56 > potential employer to Google it and find articles by people like
57 > "420forlife?" I think this sort of thing can help set the tone for
58 > the community.
59 >
60 > That's just my opinion...
61 >
62 > --
63 > Rich
64 >
65 >

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