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On Monday, October 3, 2016 10:30:11 PM EDT Paweł Hajdan, Jr. wrote: |
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> On 03/10/16 22:03, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: |
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> > Gentoo's entire structure is not what it was intended to be. I have spoken |
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> > to Daniel Robbins a few times about this. Things I had in mind long ago |
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> > with changing Gentoo's structure, the foundations role, etc were more in |
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> > line with what he had intended things to be. Though I believe most do not |
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> > want that, likely out of ignorance and status quo, rather than not |
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> > wanting thing to change for the good. |
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> > Few projects have structure like Gentoo. Which is also in part why Gentoo |
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> > has unique issues, though they can be similar to others. Still very |
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> > different just the same. I spent time looking into others, FreeBSD, |
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> > Gnome, Debian, etc. |
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> Curious, could you elaborate more on this, or just point to archives if |
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> you already did? |
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It has been many years. I will see what I can scrape together. Essentially |
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Daniel intended the Foundation to be much stronger and play a much larger role |
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in Gentoo. Somehow it was transformed into a IP holder, legal protection, and |
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finances. Cut off from development, no relation to council, or project as |
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whole. With other projects, the board tends to control and influence technical |
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direction more. |
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Gentoo is some what like a 2 headed snake. Long ago used to be 3, when infra |
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was stronger but infra has faded some to where it is just Council and |
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Foundation. |
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This is one of the many things I had plans for but others seem to make fun of |
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it. Which despite anything anyone may think. The Gentoo Foundation is a |
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business, just a non profit business. Until recently the NFL in the US was also |
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a Non-Profit. It does not matter if for profit or not, it is still a business |
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and should have some similar structure. |
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https://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-nfp/message/ |
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Best to hear some of it straight from Daniel. If you read this it is pretty |
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clear the project nor the foundation ended up as he intended. |
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https://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-nfp/message/ |
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If he returned would like to make major changes. I would agree with most all |
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of those major changes, and it has nothing to do with Daniel himself, but |
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proper organization and leadership. |
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Not meant as an insult or to lessen the efforts of any council member or |
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trustee. Just that things ended up very different than intended. To get back |
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to the initial idea would require lots of change most would not be on board |
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with, not to mention the authority aspect given how its structured now. |
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This is interesting not directly related but comments on how Gentoo started |
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and the freedom back then.... |
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https://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-nfp/message/ |
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Turns out I do have a semi smoking gun email, but it was a private email |
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between Daniel Robbins and myself. I will forward that email onto the list as |
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it does not disclose anything sensitive. I think the world should hear it |
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straight from Daniel, like him or not, he did start the Gentoo project. |
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William L. Thomson Jr. |
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