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On Wed, Jul 7, 2021 at 10:16 AM Aaron Bauman <bman@g.o> wrote: |
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> On Wed, Jul 07, 2021 at 07:32:12AM +0300, Joonas Niilola wrote: |
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> > Out of curiosity, with an umbrella organization could there be any fear |
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> > for a similar takeover that happened with Freenode? |
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> There is a possibility of such, but it is highly unlikely. |
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> More realistic/probable concerns are umbrellas enforcing |
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> rules/guidelines/requirements that Gentoo may not agree with. |
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IMO these are effectively the same thing. When the situation with |
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Freenode was nothing more than a legal formality nobody cared about |
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it. As soon as it starts to have practical impact on how things work |
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(or is anticipated to), that is when everybody starts getting upset. |
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I do think some of your examples are the sorts of things that are very |
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likely to come up based on current trends, and you can use your |
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imagination to consider others. Whether these are a concern or not is |
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going to vary based on individual sentiments. |
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Either way (umbrella takeover or internal takeover), the "Libera |
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solution" would still be an option. This is why I think that the best |
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defense against hostile takeover is minimizing dependence on lots of |
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complex infrastructure for core functions. The less you have to |
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replace the less painful it is to do. If ICE or whatever seized |
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gentoo.org, and our emails all start bouncing and DNS addresses of |
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servers/etc stop resolving, do enough people know how to find each |
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other to put the band back together (I'm guessing we wouldn't lose |
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access to IRC in that case, so probably yes)? |
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This isn't intended to start a tangent, just to point out that this |
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legal risk is hard to avoid when your operational and legal orgs are |
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somewhat disjoint. |
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Rich |