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On Tuesday, January 17, 2017 2:03:56 PM EST Rich Freeman wrote: |
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> Hmm, I can't imagine that if you have been moderated several times |
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> that it might have some bearing on why you feel that Comrel/Devrel has |
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> tended to get in the way of your rejoining... |
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This is actually a new and recent trend. First was in 2015 in comrel IRC |
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channel. Then the -project ban just recently in 2016. Where people proceeded |
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to talk about me on list, despite me being unable to reply or defend myself. |
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The first moderation was on -nfp years ago in 2008. That moderation was |
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supposed to be temporary and lasted many years. That moderation created all |
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the problems since. Comrel/Devrel created the whole ill will scenario. |
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The damage to the foundation is tremendous. I would have resolved things with |
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the IRS, SPI/SFC years ago. Not to mention Java, etc. |
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> In any case, as has been pointed out you could have appealed these |
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> issues and would likely have gotten a final answer one way or the |
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> other by now. But then we can't just complain about them forever. |
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I think all of that is a waste of everyone's time. I also see it as futile for |
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many reasons I stated, even if an appeal is won. It does not make others |
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forget the past, or start liking someone they do not. |
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Problems are much bigger and deeper than anything someone could appeal. How |
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does my reputation get appealed? Being painted as an outcast by a minority and |
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how I am treated, provoked in ways others are not. Which in turn does not |
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bring out the best in anyone. |
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Such damage no one deserves no matter what for volunteering their time. |
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> > I am not sure anyone around Gentoo has been treated as poorly as I have. |
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> > Very few would stick around for the punishment I get on the regular. |
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> Indeed, most people who regularly get moderated tend to go away. I'm |
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> not sure that is entirely a bad thing. |
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Driving people away for any reason is not good. Who do you think you are? Not |
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meant directly or as an insult. But driving someone away, assuming another |
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will replace them. It is not a strategy that is working for Gentoo. |
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> If people are willing to change they can of course stick around, and |
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> if abuse is a concern that is why we have appeals. |
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Problem is people within Gentoo do not change. Their behavior becomes the |
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status quo. How they see and treat others rubs off on new people. Such that |
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problems continue because people are tainted and bias from the start. |
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The problem is NOT the people, but the process. Also if you are to blame the |
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person. You should also blame who they are interacting with. If there was |
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actual resolution. People would not leave, and not require moderation. |
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The real crux is getting rid of the need to moderate in the first place. People |
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have filters, and other things at their disposal. This acting like children |
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stuff needs to stop. Not everyone needs to be punished. Jails are full of |
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people we are trying to force to change their ways. |
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If you want someone to change, start by changing yourself. If you do not like |
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how someone behaves. Think what you can do yourself to effect their behavior |
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in a positive manner. Most times moderation is not likely to change behavior |
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but encourage the opposite. |
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Are we not intelligent intellectual people? Must we always resort to crude |
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methods to resolves problems. Or claim to resolve problems when in fact we are |
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dismissing them and potentially creating a much worse problem with ill will. |
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William L. Thomson Jr. |
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