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On Tuesday, January 17, 2017 6:49:27 PM EST Michał Górny wrote: |
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> William, if you do not have anything to add to the topic at hand, |
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> please do not reply. Gentoo does not only consist of areas you care |
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> about, and dismissing anything unrelated to them is not helping anyone. |
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This is an area I do care about as it has effected me likely more than anyone. |
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I am not sure anyone has tried to return for some 8+ years. Or the amount of |
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attempts I have to return. During every attempt Comrel/Devrel has bee in the |
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way. A problem they started years ago by getting involved when they need not. |
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Which is why I say rather than reform. Ditch entirely as it has been EXTREMELY |
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harmful. Far beyond anything to do with myself personally. |
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> Furthermore, I should point out that the teams performing disciplinary |
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> actions can have strong influence on influx of developers. IRC, Forums |
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> are frequently the areas where the first contact between users |
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> and Gentoo community occurs, and with an unhealthy moderation team it |
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> could be the last. |
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I am quite aware. I have been moderated several times. I have seen the harm |
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that protecting the community via moderation causes. The damage is far worse |
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than what they seek to prevent in the first place. |
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> I'm talking both of the case when moderators abuse their power and ban |
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> users unnecessarily, and of the case when they do not keep the channels |
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> healthy and troublemakers discourage of users. In the end, the only |
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> people that really come to Gentoo are the bullies and the people who |
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> can withstand being bullied. |
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I believe allot of the moderation and issues I have faced were abuse of power |
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and/or completely unnecessary. Most times policies and procedures are not |
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followed. If nothing else, things were escalated that should have been de- |
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escalated. Problems created that spanned much longer than the problem seeking |
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to be addressed. Creating bigger problems and not resolving the issues. |
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I am not sure anyone around Gentoo has been treated as poorly as I have. Very |
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few would stick around for the punishment I get on the regular. With everyone |
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saying do as I say, not as I do.... |
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Not to mention questioning others social skills from people who clearly lack |
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them to begin with. Most of the problem with Comrel/Devrel comes from having |
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the wrong people involved. People that lack people skills, make no effort to |
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establish or build personal relationships or anything of real benefit to |
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problem resolution. Which is why problems get escalated and become much bigger |
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and last for years. Assuming you know someone you do not. |
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William L. Thomson Jr. |