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From: Aaron Bauman <bman@g.o>
To: gentoo-project@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Questions for Council candidates: Future of the Foundation
Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2020 03:20:37
Message-Id: 6DDF9C97-2168-4E61-BD8A-89D16EBDB947@gentoo.org
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-project] Questions for Council candidates: Future of the Foundation by Alec Warner
1 On July 4, 2020 8:57:33 PM EDT, Alec Warner <antarus@g.o> wrote:
2 >On Sat, Jul 4, 2020 at 2:44 PM Rich Freeman <rich0@g.o> wrote:
3 >
4 >> On Sat, Jul 4, 2020 at 12:33 PM Andrew Savchenko <bircoph@g.o>
5 >> wrote:
6 >> >
7 >> > This is one more aspect to this: some companies double donations
8 >> > for 501c3 organizations. A friend of mine works in a large
9 >> > corporation with HQ is the US and told me that his employer doubles
10 >> > any donations made to 501c3, so he made no donation for Gentoo,
11 >> > because that will mean loosing money for community which otherwise
12 >> > can be doubled. So it is likely that 501c3 will increase incoming
13 >> > donations.
14 >>
15 >> That is a really good point and I'll expand on this.
16 >>
17 >> Some organizations will only donate money to 501c3 organizations.
18 >> Basically they're letting the IRS do the due diligence around whether
19 >> the organization is actually charitable. They can potentially also
20 >> receive tax benefits this way.
21 >>
22 >> If you want to receive grants/donations from other 501c3
23 >organizations
24 >> you will be far more likely to get them if you are yourself a 501c3
25 >> organization. These transactions receive far less scrutiny than
26 >> transfers from 501c3s to other types of corporations.
27 >>
28 >
29 >This can be problematic for us in some cases.
30 >
31 >Currently our annual revenue is approximately 10,000 (All USD in this
32 >example.) If we are a 501c3 public charity, we are required to source
33 >1/3rd
34 >of our revenue from the public; and the public is determined by a
35 >complex
36 >set of rules. Generally this is "donations less than 2% of gross
37 >receipts."
38 >So e.g. in our current funding model, 2% of 10,000 is 200$; and we need
39 >to
40 >gross at least 3,333$ in donations < 200$. I can tell you the Gentoo
41 >Foundation easily passes this test[0]. However, if we were to be a
42 >501c3
43 >and suddenly donations increased, when do we need to start worrying?
44 >
45
46 You should really double check this math.
47
48 >For example; assume gross receipts tripled in the new system, to
49 >30,000$.
50 >Now we need 1/3rd of this new total (10,000$) to come from donations
51 >less
52 >than 600$ (2% of 30,000$). Plugging in our 2019-2020 data, our support
53 >level here is not sufficient[1] and we will fail the public support
54 >test.
55 >Obviously the real numbers would be different but we might want to be
56 >careful in terms of how we tell people to donate and how we account for
57 >donations[2].
58 >
59 >For example if I donate X and my employer donates X, I assume that
60 >counts
61 >as 2 donations (not 1) and we can influence the recommended value for X
62 >(e.g. we want X to be less than 2% of of expected gross revenues for
63 >that
64 >year, so it counts toward public support for the majority of
65 >donations.)
66 >
67 >The other challenge is that we have no actual plan for spending money.
68
69 Many have suggested ways to do this.
70
71 >Feedback from the community has not been very positive when I have
72 >tried to
73 >engage with them on how to spend the money. This presents an ethical
74 >problem in terms of raising funds we have no existing need for; the
75 >existing public donations from individual contributors already exceed
76 >our
77 >expenses by a fair margin. I suspect in addition to moving to a
78 >tax-exempt
79 >non-profit we would need clearer guidance from the community on how to
80 >allocate the potential increase in revenue.
81
82 When exactly did you engage the community on how to spend this revenue/income?
83
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85 Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

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