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On July 4, 2020 8:57:33 PM EDT, Alec Warner <antarus@g.o> wrote: |
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>On Sat, Jul 4, 2020 at 2:44 PM Rich Freeman <rich0@g.o> wrote: |
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>> On Sat, Jul 4, 2020 at 12:33 PM Andrew Savchenko <bircoph@g.o> |
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>> wrote: |
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>> > This is one more aspect to this: some companies double donations |
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>> > for 501c3 organizations. A friend of mine works in a large |
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>> > corporation with HQ is the US and told me that his employer doubles |
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>> > any donations made to 501c3, so he made no donation for Gentoo, |
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>> > because that will mean loosing money for community which otherwise |
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>> > can be doubled. So it is likely that 501c3 will increase incoming |
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>> > donations. |
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>> That is a really good point and I'll expand on this. |
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>> Some organizations will only donate money to 501c3 organizations. |
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>> Basically they're letting the IRS do the due diligence around whether |
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>> the organization is actually charitable. They can potentially also |
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>> receive tax benefits this way. |
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>> If you want to receive grants/donations from other 501c3 |
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>organizations |
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>> you will be far more likely to get them if you are yourself a 501c3 |
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>> organization. These transactions receive far less scrutiny than |
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>> transfers from 501c3s to other types of corporations. |
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>This can be problematic for us in some cases. |
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>Currently our annual revenue is approximately 10,000 (All USD in this |
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>example.) If we are a 501c3 public charity, we are required to source |
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>1/3rd |
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>of our revenue from the public; and the public is determined by a |
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>complex |
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>set of rules. Generally this is "donations less than 2% of gross |
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>receipts." |
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>So e.g. in our current funding model, 2% of 10,000 is 200$; and we need |
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>to |
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>gross at least 3,333$ in donations < 200$. I can tell you the Gentoo |
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>Foundation easily passes this test[0]. However, if we were to be a |
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>501c3 |
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>and suddenly donations increased, when do we need to start worrying? |
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You should really double check this math. |
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>For example; assume gross receipts tripled in the new system, to |
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>30,000$. |
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>Now we need 1/3rd of this new total (10,000$) to come from donations |
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>less |
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>than 600$ (2% of 30,000$). Plugging in our 2019-2020 data, our support |
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>level here is not sufficient[1] and we will fail the public support |
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>test. |
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>Obviously the real numbers would be different but we might want to be |
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>careful in terms of how we tell people to donate and how we account for |
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>donations[2]. |
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>For example if I donate X and my employer donates X, I assume that |
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>counts |
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>as 2 donations (not 1) and we can influence the recommended value for X |
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>(e.g. we want X to be less than 2% of of expected gross revenues for |
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>that |
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>year, so it counts toward public support for the majority of |
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>donations.) |
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>The other challenge is that we have no actual plan for spending money. |
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Many have suggested ways to do this. |
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>Feedback from the community has not been very positive when I have |
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>tried to |
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>engage with them on how to spend the money. This presents an ethical |
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>problem in terms of raising funds we have no existing need for; the |
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>existing public donations from individual contributors already exceed |
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>our |
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>expenses by a fair margin. I suspect in addition to moving to a |
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>tax-exempt |
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>non-profit we would need clearer guidance from the community on how to |
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>allocate the potential increase in revenue. |
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When exactly did you engage the community on how to spend this revenue/income? |
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