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From: Tom H <tomh0665@×××××.com>
To: Gentoo User <gentoo-user@l.g.o>
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] alternative kernels
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2014 22:09:42
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-user] alternative kernels by "J. Roeleveld"
1 On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 3:11 AM, J. Roeleveld <joost@××××××××.org> wrote:
4 > Thing is, I don't see any benefit, for myself, in systemd.
5 > If people want to use it, fine.
6 > But, if people are trying to force it upon everyone, then I will have a
7 > problem with it.
9 It cuts both ways. Let's assume that you want to use polkit/policykit
10 where the most recent version depends on logind and has dropped
11 support for consolekit. You don't want to be forced into using systemd
12 because of the deprecation of consolekit support but the developers of
13 polkit don't want to be forced into maintaining support for
14 consolekit.
16 It's too bad that the systemd maintainers tied their login and cgroup
17 managers into their /sbin/init; systemd would've been uncontroversial
18 if they had.
20 Ubuntu and Debian use systemd-shim (AFAIR/AFAIUI previously
21 systemd-services) and cgmanager in order to use a standalone logind
22 running without systemd as pid 1.
25 > I just had a look at the use-flags for systemd, similarly to myself wondering
26 > about multimedia support in grub2, I wonder why there is an HTTP-server
27 > embedded in journald. I somehow doubt it has any real security on it and I
28 > have seen programs write usernames and passwords to stdout/syslog when running
29 > with the default log-levels.
31 I suspect that grub has multimedia support because there's an option
32 to emit a beep when grub starts. It's not an option that I've used or
33 that I'll ever use but someone must want/like it. :)
35 The systemd line was always that if you wanted to ship your logs off
36 to another box, use rsyslog. So I've never understood the embedding of
37 an httpd in systemd. I guess that the httpd server's useful if if you
38 want a basic send-the-logs-to-another-box-as-is, but that, if you want
39 to filter or manipulate the journald output, you have to use rsyslog
40 or syslog-ng.


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Re: [gentoo-user] alternative kernels Rich Freeman <rich0@g.o>