Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Daniel Robbins' come back ?

[Dale]

James wrote:
> Mick <michaelkintzios <at> gmail.com> writes:
>
>
>
>>>  The problem is, and is not, legal papers.
>>> Because, IMO, legal papers are the visible part of an Iceberg. Could
>>> someone tell me what *really* is the crisis ? If people did not do what
>>> they were supposed to do : what should they have done ?
>>>
>
> Excellent point. I ask the question. Exactly what is Daniel proposing
> that has everyone so opposed to his return. Don't give generalized
> bullshit answers, BE PRECISE.....
>
>
> The current lack of mature, focused leadership, by folks that are
> technically and financially successful is apparent if one just reads this
> list over a period of time. I say this as a mature Engineer with
> a Master's Degree in Computer Science. I make a good living out of
> my garage, and I've owned and sold several business for a nice
> profit, over the years......
>
> < SNIP >

I agree.  I saw a post somewhere that some are pretty young and act
their age, if even that much.  It makes Gentoo look bad when even one
person goes off kilter like that. 

> < SNIP >
> I read one poster that blasted Ciaran McCreesh....
> Also recently, I read a thread where he created an alternative
> to portage, and that many respected techies on this list actually
> use his replacement for portage. The poster that blasted Ciaran, misses
> a simple point. (Machiavellian aside). You have break some eggs to
> create an omlette.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niccol%C3%B2_Machiavelli
>

I have read a lot of posts on -dev by Ciaran.  I'm not defending how he
says some things but he does have some good points.  I also keep in mind
that he has created a alternative to portage and from what I have read
it works VERY well and is even better than portage.  I don't use it but
I have read where people are talking about their experience with his
program.  He should be given a lot of credit for that and at least have
his ideas heard in a more "respectful" way. 

On that note, at least he has enough balls to say something on -dev.  I
posted a concern a long time ago and got hammered by just one person,
acting like a 3 year old who got his candy took away.  It is very rare,
if I have posted at all now.  It's just not worth it.  It seems to me
that there is a very few people that seem to think they "own" -dev and
Gentoo.  By the way, some others also didn't like the post that was made
to me.  It helped but it is just not worth it.  I'm disabled and 40
years old, feels like about 70 most days, and just to old for that crap.
> My wife is a very successful computer engineer (hundreds of products).
> She is vile and very rough on EEs that design hardware. Only the
> most competent hardware designers can work with her. Their eggos are
> often bruised when their selection of uP/DSP/processor is not
> robust for the product they envision...... Get over it!
> The planet is ruled by those with mental fortitude (PERIOD).
> Most of her customers come from referrals or from semiconductor
> representatives directly.
>
> You don't like this, take it up with the author of the universe
> (whomever you believe that is).....
>
> Gentoo needs leadership that is accountable to the user community
> but also bound to a set of bylaws that we agree with. Keeping the
> distro free is paramount, but, creating avenues for financial success
> for products and services centric to gentoo is a necessary
> requisite too, IMHO.
>
>
> James
>
>

True, even things that are free have to have money.  It never makes it
without it.

Dale

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