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From: Pandu Poluan <pandu@××××××.info>
To: gentoo-user@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] new machine : DVD drive
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 14:05:12
Message-Id: CAA2qdGVU_YoxxjwbA+myR7PaEKgfQYCNmmTrcpyerpJo4ymXGg@mail.gmail.com
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-user] new machine : DVD drive by Pandu Poluan
1 On Aug 20, 2012 8:51 PM, "Pandu Poluan" <pandu@××××××.info> wrote:
2 >
3 >
4 > On Aug 20, 2012 7:47 PM, "Andrea Conti" <alyf@××××.net> wrote:
5 > >
6 >
7 > [snip]
8 >
9 > > >
10 > > > Yes, +RW, -RW, but don't know much more on this other than older DVD
11 writers
12 > > > would only do one format not another and if you didn't pay attention
13 to the
14 > > > specification/limitations of your hardware you could end up buying
15 the wrong
16 > > > type of DVDs. Someone more experienced on recording media could
17 answer this
18 > > > better.
19 > >
20 > > Every modern recorder does both standards; depending on both the burner
21 > > and the reader you might find that one standard works better than the
22 > > other (i.e. has lower read error rates). Trial and error seems to be the
23 > > only working approach...
24 > >
25 > > As for the standards, if you're just burning backups they're basically
26 > > equivalent. The +RW standard is theoretically more flexible as media can
27 > > be formatted in a "packet" mode which allows (almost) random r/w access,
28 > > but in my experience software support and reliability have always been
29 > > lousy, so forget about it.
30 > >
31 > > +RW media cannot be erased in the same way CD-RWs are erased, -- you can
32 > > only overwrite it with new data. -RW behaves the same as CD-RWs in this
33 > > regard.
34 > >
35 > > If you need rewritable DVD media with reliable random r/w access (but
36 > > this doesn't seem to be your case), there is a third standard (DVD-RAM)
37 > > which uses special disks with hardware sector marks. Drive support is
38 > > not hard to find nowadays (the drive you cited actually supports it),
39 > > but writing is slow, good media is expensive and the disks cannot be
40 > > read in most "normal" dvd drives; I have no idea about the state of
41 > > software support in Linux.
42 > >
43 >
44 > +RW *can* be erased, or else it won't be called RW :-)
45 >
46 > That said, the difference is much deeper than differing metadata. Among
47 which :
48 >
49 > * +RW uses Phase Modulation, -RW uses amplitude modulation. This gives
50 +RW much more robustness than -RW
51 >
52 > * +RW blanks provide more info on the energy level required to burn, IIRC
53 up to 4 energy levels each tuned to a certain burning speed (e.g., 1x, 2x,
54 4x, and 8x). This *greatly* improves the success probability of burning.
55 -RW only provides energy level info for the maximum burning speed; if your
56 drive doesn't support that speed, it'll have to guess, and the results are
57 usually ungood
58 >
59 > More history :
60 >
61 > The CD Standard was originally developed by Philips, then adapted to the
62 data world requirements, including CD-R(W). The DVD-R standard was
63 originally developed by Panasonic, but Philips had a spat with Panasonic
64 because in Phillips' view, the CD-R standard has shortcomings they
65 (Philips) want to fix; Panasonic was more interested in getting DVD-R out
66 of the door asap. This resulted in Philips -- together with someone else,
67 was it Sony? -- to independently released the DVD+R standard.
68 >
69 > CMIIW
70 >
71
72 Aha, found the page comparing +R(W) and -R(W) :
73
74 http://www.myce.com/article/why-dvdrw-is-superior-to-dvd-rw-203/
75
76 tldr: DVD+R(W) is technically a better standard. Use it.
77
78 Rgds,

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Re: [gentoo-user] new machine : DVD drive Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de (Joerg Schilling)