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On Saturday, August 09, 2014 11:19:39 AM Alan McKinnon wrote: |
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> On 09/08/2014 10:20, J. Roeleveld wrote: |
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> > On 9 August 2014 09:53:01 CEST, Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@×××××.com> |
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wrote: |
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> >> On 09/08/2014 08:35, J. Roeleveld wrote: |
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> >>>> Test vms get updated when I feel like it. Some of them never :-) |
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> >>> Hope they are behind a firewall then, wouldn't want to know how quick |
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> >> a 2 year |
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> >>> old VM gets 0wned if online. |
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> >> They run locally in virtualbox on the laptop, and are fired up when |
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> >> needed. Like for example when I have to figure out wtf exactly did |
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> >> ubuntu do to munin today to break it *again* |
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> > I try to avoid ubuntu. |
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> > Tried it a few years ago. Looked ok, but didn't like the convoluted way to |
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> > do a full update and ended up putting Gentoo on the netbook. |
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> you mean |
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> apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade && apt-get |
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> autoremove |
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> ? |
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Yes |
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> Yeah, that drives me nuts too. |
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emerge --sync |
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emerge -vauDN @world |
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This is how to update everything in 1 step. I don't like having to do a |
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different command to update to newer versions. It's convoluted. |
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> But it's better than Red Hat (dependency hell) and makes the office |
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> staff workstations easy to admin (desktop stuff JustWorks for what they |
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> need to do). |
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My solution with RPMs: |
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- Let the desktop try it |
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- Do a new install of latest version |
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(I use Centos on VMs for testing work related stuff) |
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> Plus, I refuse under any circumstances to run Gentoo on production |
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> unless it's backed by a huge build farm or I have a large cluster that |
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> are all identical and have very special needs. |
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I use Gentoo exclusively on the servers and desktops at home. I find it easier |
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and more logical to maintain. |
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I do have a VM dedicated to building binary packages though. |
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> Gentoo has it's uses cases, but a loose collection of servers none of |
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> which are identical is not it. |
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It can be made to work, with some good planning. |
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But I agree that when the amount of servers starts getting quite large, some |
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unification is necessary. But the same then is also true for any other OS. |
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