Re: [gentoo-user] baselayout --> openrc ?

[Alan McKinnon]

Apparently, though unproven, at 18:19 on Friday 22 October 2010, Stroller did 
opine thusly:

> On 22 Oct 2010, at 12:29, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> > ... Openrc will be stabilised at some time,
> > so you may as well do the upgrade when you feel like it rather that when
> > the devs decide to flip a keyword.
>
> I thought this was a matter of debate - Openrc was IIRC the creation of Roy
> Marples, who was originally a Gentoo dev and the baselayout maintainer.
>
> As Roy developed baselayout 2 (or "baselayout - The Next Generation", as
> you might call it) he decided to generalise it, AFAICT, in order to make
> it useful to other distros or unices (e.g. the BSDs).
>
> Roy is no longer a Gentoo dev and is no longer maintaining Openrc:
> http://roy.marples.name/projects/openrc
>
> I understood the future of Openrc within Gentoo to be in question:
> http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-dev/msg_ce55de133ca592b638db758c9e457370.
> xml or http://tinyurl.com/3xglcqb

Did you and I read the same mail thread? I read all of it - did you?

The end result of that is not that there is a question over openrc, it is that 
openrc will proceed. And anyone else that wants to pursue systemd or any other 
init system is free to go ahead and show up on gentoo-dev with running code. 
Meanwhile, openrc is where it's going.

The thread started with someone wondering about openrc; I disagree with your 
conclusion about where it ended.
>
> Roy is the author, his own words:
>    The fact that several people said they would attempt a
>    stable push and then gave up (I was one - lol) says quite a
>    bit really.
>
> That Gentoo-dev thread was 3 or 4 months ago, and I haven't read all of it
> today. But based on my understanding, I would discourage anyone in stable
> from migrating to Openrc unless they need to, or unless they're deciding
> to run entirely ~arch packages on their system. From my understanding I
> would "wait and see", and migrate when the devs decide the time is right
> for a mass migration of stable users.

That's a straw man argument. Roy left Gentoo because of conflicts between his 
wish to be 100% POSIX compliant and most everyone else thinking they should 
just stick with bashisms and gentooisms. Which is kinda reasonable considering 
that portage REQUIRES bash.

Roy did not leave openrc development becuase it's a lost cause. He left 
apparently because it stopped being fun - the usual (and often only valid) 
case for such things.


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