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On Thu, 16 Jan 2014 10:19:22 -0600, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: |
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> > > Helmut is still using consolekit. Are you still using consolekit? |
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> > Yes, it's the default for kdm so it is enabled on both computers. |
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> I don't think it will be the default for much longer; it's unmaintained |
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> code which sooner or later will start to bitrot. Unless someone steps in |
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> and starts taking care of it. |
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Quite likely, but for now it is the default and in use on both systems in |
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question. |
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> > > I have no idea if consolekit is relevant here, but Canek has been |
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> > > telling us that consolekit is abandonware and we should stop |
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> > > depending on it. |
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> > That's part of the drive to put everything in systemd, which I do not |
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> > use. |
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> Fact is, nobody is maintaining ck; from its homepage[1]: |
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> "ConsoleKit is currently not actively maintained. The focus has shifted |
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> to the built-in seat/user/session management of Software/systemd called |
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> systemd-logind!" |
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That's what I was paraphrasing above. I checked the latest status on that |
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page before replying. |
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> That message has been there for months; in general ck kinda still works, |
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> although it never really solved the problem of properly tracking user |
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> sessions, which is why everybody involved with it quickly jumped ship to |
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> logind, where the problem is properly solved. |
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The issue for many is that logind is so closely tied to systemd. |
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> However, as the interfaces in the stack evolves, unmaintained code like |
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> ck will simply stop to work. ConsoleKit uses dbus heavily, and with the |
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> introduction of kdbus[2] and the inevitable changes that will happen to |
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> dbus, combined with nobody taking care of ck, I don't think it will keep |
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> working much longer. |
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That's a reasonable prediction. |
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> Ubuntu and Debian (now that is seriously discussing which modern init |
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> system to use) have been discussing an alternative, API compatible |
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> implementation of logind, but I don't know if it has got nowhere. I |
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> think that has more future than ck, but again, nobody (AFAIK) has |
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> stepped in and do the heavy coding. |
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Leaving aside my concerns about systemd, I am not happy with the "all |
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eggs in one basket" direction things seem to be taking. Whatever happened |
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to tolls doing one job and doing it well? |
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> Independently, though, I think is safe to say that ConsoleKit is a dead |
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In the future, most probably. but right now it is the preferred option |
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for KDM. |
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