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From: Dale <rdalek1967@×××××.com>
To: gentoo-user@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: MBR partition
Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2014 00:28:10
Message-Id: 540BA691.9080508@gmail.com
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: MBR partition by Kerin Millar
1 Kerin Millar wrote:
2 > On 06/09/2014 13:54, Alan McKinnon wrote:
3 >> On 06/09/2014 14:48, Dale wrote:
4 >>> James wrote:
5 >>>> Joseph <syscon780 <at> gmail.com> writes:
6 >>>>
7 >>>>> Thank you for the information.
8 >>>>> I'll continue on Monday and let you know. If it will not boot
9 >>>>> with sector
10 >>>> starting at 2048, I will
11 >>>>> re-partition /boot sda1 to start at 63.
12 >>>>
13 >>>> Take some time to research and reflect on your needs (desires?)
14 >>>> about which file system to use. (ext 2,4) is always popular and safe.
15 >>>> Some are very happy with BTRFS and there are many other interesting
16 >>>> choices (ZFS, XFS, etc etc)......
17 >>>>
18 >>>> There is no best solution; but the EXT family offers tried and proven
19 >>>> options. YMMV.
20 >>>>
21 >>>>
22 >>>> hth,
23 >>>> James
24 >>>>
25 >>>
26 >>> I'm not sure if it is ZFS or XFS but I seem to recall one of those does
27 >>> not like sudden shutdowns, such as a power failure. Maybe that has
28 >>> changed since I last tried whichever one it is that has that issue. If
29 >>> you have a UPS tho, shouldn't be so much of a problem, unless your
30 >>> power
31 >>> supply goes out.
32 >>
33 >> XFS.
34 >>
35 >> It was designed by SGI for their video rendeing workstations back in the
36 >> day and used very aggressive caching to get enormous throughput. It was
37 >> also brilliant at dealing with directories containing thousands of small
38 >> files - not unusual when dealing with video editing.
39 >>
40 >> However, it was also designed for environments where the power is
41 >> guaranteed to never go off (which explains why they decided to go with
42 >> such aggressive caching). If you use it in environments where powerouts
43 >> are not guaranteed to not happen, well......
44 >
45 > Well what? It's no less reliable than other filesystems that employ
46 > delayed allocation (any modern filesystem worth of note). Over recent
47 > years, I use both XFS and ext4 extensively in production and have
48 > found the former trumps the latter in reliability.
49 >
50 > While I like them both, I predicate this assertion mainly on some of
51 > the silly bugs that I have seen crop up in the ext4 codebase and the
52 > unedifying commentary that has occasionally ensued. From reading the
53 > XFS list and my own experience, I have formed the opinion that the
54 > maintainers are more stringent in matters of QA and regression testing
55 > and more mature in matters of public debate. I also believe that
56 > regressions in stability are virtually unheard of, whereas regressions
57 > in performance are identified quickly and taken very seriously [1].
58 >
59 > The worst thing I could say about XFS is that it was comparatively
60 > slow until the introduction of delayed logging (an idea taken from
61 > ext3). [2] [3]. Nowadays, it is on a par with ext4 and, in some cases,
62 > scales better. It is also one of the few filesystems besides ZFS that
63 > can dynamically allocate inodes.
64 > <<SNIP>>
65 > --Kerin
66 >
67 > [1]
68 > http://www.percona.com/blog/2012/03/15/ext4-vs-xfs-on-ssd/#comment-903938
69 > [2]
70 > https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/filesystems/xfs-delayed-logging-design.txt
71 > [3] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FegjLbCnoBw
72 >
73 >
74
75 The point I was making in my comment was about if the power fails
76 without a proper shutdown. When I used it a long time ago, it worked
77 fine, until there was a sudden power loss. That is when problems pop
78 up. If a person has a UPS, should be good to go.
79
80 Dale
81
82 :-) :-)

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: MBR partition Kerin Millar <kerframil@×××××××××××.uk>