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On Saturday 18 October 2008 23:31:56 kashani wrote: |
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> Alan McKinnon wrote: |
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> > On Friday 17 October 2008 23:27:44 RYAN vAN GINNEKEN wrote: |
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> >> heehee have been wanting to get onboard with gentoo for a while now how |
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> >> ironic that the wiki site i was so looking forward to using is down the |
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> >> same day my gentoo box is up heehee. |
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> > Let's see, how shall I put this? Oh stuff it, might as well be honest. |
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> > gentoo-wiki.com is notorious for being up and down more often than you |
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> > change your underwear. It's also been compromised at least twice in the |
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> > last 12 months. The home page was last updated so long ago I'm no longer |
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> > sure if it was still in this millenniume. |
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> As the fellow who maintains the Bind and Postfix w/PostfixAdmin how-tos |
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> on the wiki I take a small amount of umbrage with the above statements. |
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> :-) Also my Bind how-to was added to the front page after I updated it |
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> in July. |
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It would be entirely unreasonable of me to say that because I think the |
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overall quality of the wiki is low that therefore every document in it is |
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just as poor. You just proved that :-) |
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I maintain the wiki at work which serves the entire company (1000+ employees). |
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My team has our own section, which is well maintained. 50% of the other |
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sections are of appalling quality. So I too know what it's like. |
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> I generally try to update the docs with recent packages every six |
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> months or so though I am guilty of letting them sit a bit longer. |
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> However Gentoo has no official Bind documentation. The official Gentoo |
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> Virtual Mail how-to offers about half the functionality, explanation, |
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> and troubleshooting info in my doc. Also the Gentoo virtual mail server |
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> has remained essentially unchanged in the last six years whereas my doc |
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> has continued to change and improve. And while we're being honest my |
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> virtual server build kicks the crap out of the official one in just |
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> about every way. |
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Well that's a very useful contribution and deserves thanks. Unfortunately for |
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me, I have no need to read them. I don't need domain or mail servers (never |
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mind virtual mail) at home, and at work we use Postfix for mail, bind for the |
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authoritative domain servers and cns for the caches - all on FreeBSD |
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> I won't say that all docs on gentoo-wiki are of this quality or better |
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> than the Gentoo docs, but you will be missing out on some genuinely |
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> useful information by dismissing the gentoo-wiki out of hand. |
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Therein lies the rub. The OP stated upfront that he is new to Gentoo. The |
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chances of him being able to find the gems amongst the chaff are reduced. |
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Better to advise him to stay away until he is in a position to evaluate these |
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things. If he's in that position right now, then he deserves to know what the |
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overall quality is. |
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> In regards to the soon to be asked "why not update the Gentoo docs if |
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> you're so darn smart" question going through a number of heads. In real |
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> life I manage just over 7000 servers as part of a larger group and am |
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> directly responsible for a bit over 1500 of them. I can devote an hour |
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> or two every couple of months to updating my home Gentoo box and fixing |
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> my wiki entries or I can fight with Guide XML for three or four hours |
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> and generally produce nothing useful. |
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1500? And here was me thinking I was in good shape looking after a mere 125... |
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For the record, it's grossly unfair for others to *expect* you to update the |
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official docs just because you know the subject. "why not update the Gentoo |
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docs if you're so darn smart" is likely to produce "stuff off!" responses. |
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Much better for people to ask nicely, say please, and be cool with the answer |
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alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com |