Re: [gentoo-user] Re: USE flags handling

[J. Roeleveld]

On Thursday, July 31, 2014 08:34:09 AM Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On 31/07/2014 03:55, Walter Dnes wrote:
> > On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 10:31:50PM +0200, Volker Armin Hemmann
wrote
> >
> >> Am 30.07.2014 21:48, schrieb Dale:
> >>> While to me KDE is bloated, I just try to disable what I can and carry
> >>> on.  If my system was limited on resources, then I may use
something
> >>> else.
> >>
> >> and maybe you did exactly the wrong thing. KDE is very modular and
> >> reuses its modules as much as it can. Which also means: memory is
only
> >> used once.
> >>
> >> There were once a very good (in my not so humble opinion. It think
very
> >> highly of myself) comparism here:
> >>
> >> http://ktown.kde.org/~seli/memory/
> >> (url is dead btw)
> >>
> >> and if you actually use kde apps in kde - memory consumption is
lower
> >> than in either gnome or 'leightweight' solutions like xfce or
> >> windowmaker+stuff.
> >>
> >>
http://web.archive.org/web/20071229030604/http://ktown.kde.org/~seli/me
mo
> >> ry/desktop_benchmark.html>>
> >   The problem with KDE apps is that they're imitating what MS did with
> >
> > Internet Explorer.  They pointed to the itsy-bitsy-teeny-weeny little
> > "ie.exe" that you could delete if you felt like doing so.  They
> > deliberately obfuscated that it was merely a front end to a ton of
> > system libraries that you could not remove.   Back when xpdf was
being
> > deprecated, various replacement options were suggested.  I chose
mupdf
> > rather than the KDE app "okular".  Here's why.  After multiple attempts
> > at "emerge -pv okular", I found I had to add at least the following to
> > package.use to get it to work...
> >
> > dev-libs/libattica qt4
> > media-libs/phonon vlc
> > media-video/vlc dbus xcb -ffmpeg
> > dev-qt/qtcore qt3support
> > dev-qt/qtdeclarative accessibility qt3support
> > dev-qt/qtgui accessibility qt3support
> > dev-qt/qtopengl qt3support
> > dev-qt/qt3support accessibility
> > dev-qt/qtsql qt3support sqlite
> > dev-qt/qtsvg accessibility
> > sys-libs/ncurses unicode
> >
> >   Seems that if I want to emerge and use KDE's "pdf reader", I need...
> >
> > phonon
> > vlc (or gstreamer)
> > libmpeg
> > libmad
> > net-dns/libidn
> > dev-qt/qtwebkit
> >
> > ...***FOR A STINKING PDF READER***.  Here's the "emerge -pv okular"
> > output with USE flag listings edited out...
> >
> > [d531][waltdnes][~] emerge -pv okular | sed " s/USE.*$//"
> >
> > These are the packages that would be merged, in order:
> >
> > Calculating dependencies  .... done!
> > [ebuild   R    ] sys-libs/ncurses-5.9-r3:5
> > [ebuild  N     ] net-dns/libidn-1.28
> > [ebuild  N     ] kde-base/kde-env-4.12.5:4/4.12
> > [ebuild  N     ] dev-libs/libpcre-8.35:3
> > [ebuild  N     ] app-admin/eselect-qtgraphicssystem-1.1.1  0 kB
> > [ebuild  N     ] dev-qt/qtcore-4.8.5-r2:4
> > [ebuild  N     ] dev-qt/qtscript-4.8.5:4
> > [ebuild  N     ] dev-qt/qtgui-4.8.5-r3:4
> > [ebuild  N     ] dev-qt/qtsql-4.8.5:4
> > [ebuild  N     ] dev-qt/qt3support-4.8.5:4
> > [ebuild  N     ] dev-qt/qtdbus-4.8.5:4
> > [ebuild  N     ] dev-qt/qtsvg-4.8.5:4
> > [ebuild  N     ] dev-qt/qttest-4.8.5:4
> > [ebuild  N     ] dev-qt/designer-4.8.5:4
> > [ebuild  N     ] dev-qt/qtopengl-4.8.5:4
> > [ebuild  N     ] dev-qt/qtxmlpatterns-4.8.5:4
> > [ebuild  N     ] app-crypt/qca-2.0.3:2
> > [ebuild  N     ] dev-qt/qtwebkit-4.8.5:4
> > [ebuild  N     ] dev-qt/qtdeclarative-4.8.5:4
> > [ebuild  N     ] x11-libs/libXScrnSaver-1.2.2-r1
> > [ebuild  N     ] media-libs/libmpeg2-0.5.1-r2
> > [ebuild  N     ] media-libs/libmad-0.15.1b-r7
> > [ebuild  N     ] media-video/vlc-2.1.2:0/5-7
> > [ebuild  N     ] dev-util/automoc-0.9.88  9 kB
> > [ebuild  N     ] kde-base/oxygen-icons-4.12.5:4/4.12
> > [ebuild  N     ] media-libs/qimageblitz-0.0.6-r1
> > [ebuild  N     ] dev-libs/libattica-0.4.2
> > [ebuild  N     ] dev-libs/libdbusmenu-qt-0.9.2
> > [ebuild  N     ] app-misc/strigi-0.7.8
> > [ebuild  N     ] media-libs/phonon-4.6.0-r1
> > [ebuild  N     ] media-libs/phonon-vlc-0.6.2
> > [ebuild  N     ] kde-base/kdelibs-4.12.5-r1:4/4.12
> > [ebuild  N     ] kde-base/katepart-4.12.5:4/4.12
> > [ebuild  N     ] kde-base/libkexiv2-4.12.5:4/4.12
> > [ebuild  N     ] kde-base/okular-4.12.5-r1:4/4.12
> >
> > Total: 35 packages (34 new, 1 reinstall), Size of downloads: 309,990
kB
>
> I'm going to take issue with this post.
>
> Walter, you have completely misjudged what KDE is designed to do and
are
> blaming it unfairly. KDE apps are not designed to run in isolation -
> they run in a greater context. That context is the KDE system.
>
> It was designed with the view that an app like okular will be installed
> alongside other similar apps that let you deal with other filetypes.
> Like audio, video, graphics, text. And so on. To do this, it needs the
> libs it is built on. And it needs a graphics toolkit - Qt. The reason
> you got such a long list of packages to install is because you do not
> have any Qt installed at all.
>
> If you did not have any X installed at all and wanted to emerge xpdf you
> would get a similar long list for exactly the same reason.
>
> The point I'm trying to make is that KDe was not designed with you in
> mind. KDE could never work for you because of your viewpoint and that
> viewpoint is in your sig. So please stop blaming KDE for doing what KDE
> does correctly and well. Just realise that you are not the target
audience.

+1

I quite like KDE and it worked quite well on my old netboot (Asus EEE 901 
with 16GB SSD and 1GB ram)

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