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On 31/07/2014 03:55, Walter Dnes wrote: |
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> On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 10:31:50PM +0200, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote |
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>> Am 30.07.2014 21:48, schrieb Dale: |
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>>> While to me KDE is bloated, I just try to disable what I can and carry |
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>>> on. If my system was limited on resources, then I may use something else. |
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>> and maybe you did exactly the wrong thing. KDE is very modular and |
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>> reuses its modules as much as it can. Which also means: memory is only |
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>> used once. |
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>> There were once a very good (in my not so humble opinion. It think very |
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>> highly of myself) comparism here: |
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>> http://ktown.kde.org/~seli/memory/ |
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>> (url is dead btw) |
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>> and if you actually use kde apps in kde - memory consumption is lower |
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>> than in either gnome or 'leightweight' solutions like xfce or |
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>> windowmaker+stuff. |
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>> http://web.archive.org/web/20071229030604/http://ktown.kde.org/~seli/memory/desktop_benchmark.html |
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> The problem with KDE apps is that they're imitating what MS did with |
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> Internet Explorer. They pointed to the itsy-bitsy-teeny-weeny little |
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> "ie.exe" that you could delete if you felt like doing so. They |
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> deliberately obfuscated that it was merely a front end to a ton of |
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> system libraries that you could not remove. Back when xpdf was being |
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> deprecated, various replacement options were suggested. I chose mupdf |
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> rather than the KDE app "okular". Here's why. After multiple attempts |
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> at "emerge -pv okular", I found I had to add at least the following to |
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> package.use to get it to work... |
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> dev-libs/libattica qt4 |
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> media-libs/phonon vlc |
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> media-video/vlc dbus xcb -ffmpeg |
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> dev-qt/qtcore qt3support |
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> dev-qt/qtdeclarative accessibility qt3support |
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> dev-qt/qtgui accessibility qt3support |
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> dev-qt/qtopengl qt3support |
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> dev-qt/qt3support accessibility |
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> dev-qt/qtsql qt3support sqlite |
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> dev-qt/qtsvg accessibility |
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> sys-libs/ncurses unicode |
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> Seems that if I want to emerge and use KDE's "pdf reader", I need... |
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> phonon |
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> vlc (or gstreamer) |
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> libmpeg |
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> libmad |
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> net-dns/libidn |
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> dev-qt/qtwebkit |
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> ...***FOR A STINKING PDF READER***. Here's the "emerge -pv okular" |
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> output with USE flag listings edited out... |
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> [d531][waltdnes][~] emerge -pv okular | sed " s/USE.*$//" |
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> These are the packages that would be merged, in order: |
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> Calculating dependencies .... done! |
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> [ebuild R ] sys-libs/ncurses-5.9-r3:5 |
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> [ebuild N ] net-dns/libidn-1.28 |
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> [ebuild N ] kde-base/kde-env-4.12.5:4/4.12 |
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> [ebuild N ] dev-libs/libpcre-8.35:3 |
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> [ebuild N ] app-admin/eselect-qtgraphicssystem-1.1.1 0 kB |
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> [ebuild N ] dev-qt/qtcore-4.8.5-r2:4 |
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> [ebuild N ] dev-qt/qtscript-4.8.5:4 |
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> [ebuild N ] dev-qt/qtgui-4.8.5-r3:4 |
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> [ebuild N ] dev-qt/qtsql-4.8.5:4 |
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> [ebuild N ] dev-qt/qt3support-4.8.5:4 |
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> [ebuild N ] dev-qt/qtdbus-4.8.5:4 |
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> [ebuild N ] dev-qt/qtsvg-4.8.5:4 |
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> [ebuild N ] dev-qt/qttest-4.8.5:4 |
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> [ebuild N ] dev-qt/designer-4.8.5:4 |
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> [ebuild N ] dev-qt/qtopengl-4.8.5:4 |
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> [ebuild N ] dev-qt/qtxmlpatterns-4.8.5:4 |
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> [ebuild N ] app-crypt/qca-2.0.3:2 |
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> [ebuild N ] dev-qt/qtwebkit-4.8.5:4 |
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> [ebuild N ] dev-qt/qtdeclarative-4.8.5:4 |
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> [ebuild N ] x11-libs/libXScrnSaver-1.2.2-r1 |
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> [ebuild N ] media-libs/libmpeg2-0.5.1-r2 |
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> [ebuild N ] media-libs/libmad-0.15.1b-r7 |
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> [ebuild N ] media-video/vlc-2.1.2:0/5-7 |
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> [ebuild N ] dev-util/automoc-0.9.88 9 kB |
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> [ebuild N ] kde-base/oxygen-icons-4.12.5:4/4.12 |
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> [ebuild N ] media-libs/qimageblitz-0.0.6-r1 |
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> [ebuild N ] dev-libs/libattica-0.4.2 |
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> [ebuild N ] dev-libs/libdbusmenu-qt-0.9.2 |
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> [ebuild N ] app-misc/strigi-0.7.8 |
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> [ebuild N ] media-libs/phonon-4.6.0-r1 |
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> [ebuild N ] media-libs/phonon-vlc-0.6.2 |
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> [ebuild N ] kde-base/kdelibs-4.12.5-r1:4/4.12 |
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> [ebuild N ] kde-base/katepart-4.12.5:4/4.12 |
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> [ebuild N ] kde-base/libkexiv2-4.12.5:4/4.12 |
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> [ebuild N ] kde-base/okular-4.12.5-r1:4/4.12 |
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> Total: 35 packages (34 new, 1 reinstall), Size of downloads: 309,990 kB |
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I'm going to take issue with this post. |
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Walter, you have completely misjudged what KDE is designed to do and are |
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blaming it unfairly. KDE apps are not designed to run in isolation - |
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they run in a greater context. That context is the KDE system. |
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It was designed with the view that an app like okular will be installed |
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alongside other similar apps that let you deal with other filetypes. |
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Like audio, video, graphics, text. And so on. To do this, it needs the |
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libs it is built on. And it needs a graphics toolkit - Qt. The reason |
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you got such a long list of packages to install is because you do not |
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have any Qt installed at all. |
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If you did not have any X installed at all and wanted to emerge xpdf you |
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would get a similar long list for exactly the same reason. |
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The point I'm trying to make is that KDe was not designed with you in |
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mind. KDE could never work for you because of your viewpoint and that |
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viewpoint is in your sig. So please stop blaming KDE for doing what KDE |
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does correctly and well. Just realise that you are not the target audience. |
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As an analogy most of the world wants a sedan so Toyota makes the Yaris |
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for them. You have decided you don't want a sedan but you do want a |
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crotch rocket, so Honda makes a CBR1000 you might like. Or if acting |
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like Rossi doesn't appeal, they also make nice adventure bikes. But that |
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doesn't make the Yaris wrong. |
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Alan McKinnon |
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alan.mckinnon@×××××.com |