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From: lee <lee@××××××××.de>
To: gentoo-user@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2016 21:48:52
Message-Id: 87mvfs6hvo.fsf@heimdali.yagibdah.de
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No by Alan McKinnon
1 Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@×××××.com> writes:
2
3 > On 18/12/2016 18:47, lee wrote:
4 >> Rich Freeman <rich0@g.o> writes:
5 >>
6 >>> The universe of Linux systems that are running Firefox but not
7 >>> Pulseaudio is fairly small at this point.
8 >>
9 >> Pulseaudio eats away about 10% CPU without any benefit whatsoever, not
10 >> to mention that it makes things more complex and less reliable. Why
11 >> would anyone use it?
12 >>
13 >> Developers might try to make their lifes easier by developing software
14 >> to the point where nobody wants to use it, except for the few developers
15 >> perhaps. With firefox, a policy like that contradicts their claims.
16 >>
17 >>
18 >> This is another issue which comes up quite often with FOSS. Developers
19 >> claim to be doing something in the interest of their users and are
20 >> asking for support. When you take a closer look, you find that they
21 >> don't, and when you offer support, they do not want it.
22 >>
23 >> Why can't they just say that they are making software for themselves the
24 >> way they want it and don't care about what anyone else says or wants?
25 >> It only gives reason to distrust someone when you find that they do not
26 >> do what they claim to be doing.
27 >>
28 >
29 > I think you are over-simplifying the situation here. Step back and look
30 > at the problem from the angle of "it's a bunch of people doing stuff"
31 > and not from a tech-centric angle. It's a people problem.
32 >
33 > You could make a valid case that the Mozilla devs are outright lying -
34 > they said they want xvy, and your offer to help provide xyz was
35 > rejected. But is it really that simple? I think it's more a case of the
36 > devs would like contributions for xyz and they don't mention the
37 > "everyone knows" "hidden assumption" of environment abc and general
38 > method def. Ahhhh, that's the usual tripping point.
39 >
40 > I don't know the specifics of your particular case, but my first
41 > approximation guess is that there's an abc and def in there which the
42 > devs didn't think to mention. Happens all the time, usually with
43 > stunningly obvious stuff that "everyone" thought "everyone else" knew
44 > about. Things like future roadmaps, planned features, and the individual
45 > personal preferences of each dev.
46 >
47 > I guess I'll saying don't be too quick to shoot from the hip - more
48 > looking less assuming is often the better path.
49
50 It really is that simple because it is the way it turns out. It doesn't
51 matter /why/ it turns out that way.
52
53 There is no assuming involved, and I have no reason to try to figure out
54 what hidden agenda a bunch of developers might have, or to make
55 assumptions about one. It won't change anything.
56
57 That doesn't keep me from noticing that what is being said is very
58 different from what is being done. If the bunch of people wants to
59 change that, /they/ need to do so.

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Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@×××××.com>