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From: Daniel Troeder <daniel@×××××××××.com>
To: gentoo-user@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] What magic does portage use?
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 22:06:03
Message-Id: 4B27EE8E.7080605@admin-box.com
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-user] What magic does portage use? by Dale
1 On 12/11/2009 08:00 PM, Dale wrote:
2 > Alan McKinnon wrote:
3 >> On Friday 11 December 2009 17:07:17 Dale wrote:
4 >>
5 >>> Alan McKinnon wrote:
6 >>>
7 >>>> On Friday 11 December 2009 15:16:01 Dale wrote:
8 >>>>
9 >>>>> Rebooting will also do all of this but it is not needed. From a
10 >>>>> technical stand point, the only time you must reboot is to load a new
11 >>>>> kernel.
12 >>>>>
13 >>>> And these days, not even then :-)
14 >>>>
15 >>>> [it requires some voodoo but is certainly possible]
16 >>>>
17 >>>> [[and I don't mean build and install a new kernel, I really do mean loa
18 >>>> ti into memory and run it, dispensing with the old one]]
19 >>>>
20 >>> I have read about that but never read something from someone who has
21 >>> actually done it. I have always been curious as to how that would work,
22 >>> in reality not just theory.
23 >>>
24 >>
25 >> kexec and CONFIG_RELOCATABLE
26 >>
27 >>
28 >>> I have also wondered why a person would go to all that trouble.
29 >>> Wouldn't all the services have to be restarted anyway?
30 >>>
31 >>
32 >> Nope. userspace ABI is stable so services just carry on as normal once
33 >> he new kernel comes up. You don't need to restart SeaMonkey if you
34 >> restart a local apache on your machine - same thing
35 >>
36 >>
37 >
38 > That would be cool of you had a system that just couldn't be rebooted.
39 > Is there such a thing tho? What would be the reason a machine just
40 > could not be rebooted? I guess one would be if the puter was on planet
41 > Mars maybe? Is that how NASA does it? lol Could you imagine getting a
42 > blue screen of death on a computer that is on Mars? O_O
43 >
44 > Dale
45 >
46 > :-) :-)
47 A real world scenario would be a bank server doing transactions. Those
48 big irons do never ever get shut down.
49 (But they also don't ever get really updated ;)
50
51 Did you know, that they still use cobol-code from decades ago. The code
52 has to interact with newer systems, but the existing code is not allowed
53 to be altered, they just run it inside hugh java application servers on
54 their main frames :D
55
56 Bye,
57 Daniel
58
59 --
60 use PGP key @ http://pgpkeys.pca.dfn.de/pks/lookup?search=0xBB9D4887&op=get
61 # gpg --recv-keys --keyserver hkp://subkeys.pgp.net 0xBB9D4887

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