Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No - gentoo-user

From:	Dale <rdalek1967@×××××.com>
To:	gentoo-user@l.g.o
Subject:	Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No
Date:	Mon, 26 Dec 2016 20:41:11
Message-Id:	`9de53e14-ab61-3ff0-9049-e5d3127a3dbc@gmail.com`
In Reply to:	Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No by lee

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lee wrote:

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> Dale <rdalek1967@×××××.com> writes:

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>> lee wrote:

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>>> Dale <rdalek1967@×××××.com> writes:

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>>>> lee wrote:

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>>>>> Dale <rdalek1967@×××××.com> writes:

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>>>>>

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>>>>>> lee wrote:

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>>>>>>> Dale <rdalek1967@×××××.com> writes:

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>>>>>>>

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>>>>>>> I didn't go look at boards I had around here.  I went to a major

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>>>>>>> computer supplier, newegg, and looked at what they had.  Go back and

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>>>>>>> read again what I did and maybe read it more carefully.

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>>>>>>>

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>>>>>>> Might I also add, it's more than just me that has pointed out that you

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>>>>>>> are not correct on this.  It's a few others as well.  You ever stop to

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>>>>>>> think that what you observe is not the normal and certainly not the

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>>>>>>> default?  If what you claim was even remotely accurate, newegg would

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>>>>>>> have had a lot larger number of boards with two ports on it.  Thing is,

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>>>>>>> they didn't.  Kai pointed out that the same is true in Europe.

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>>>>>>> Why would I assume that what someone else observes is a default?

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>>>>>>> Besides, I don't see what problem you're having with this.

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>>>>>>>

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>>>>>>>

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>>>>>> Then why would what you observe also be claimed to be the default?   As

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>>>>>> I also pointed out, it's not just what I observe, it's what I and others

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>>>>>> have observed as well.  So far, you are the only person claiming that

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>>>>>> two ports on a home user board is the default.  I have not seen anyone

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>>>>>> else post that you are correct.  Others have posted that you are not

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>>>>>> correct tho.

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>>>>>>

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>>>>>> The problem is, you claim that having two ports is the default.  It is

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>>>>>> not the default.  I've said it, even researched it and explained how I

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>>>>>> researched it, others have also posted the same point.  Just because you

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>>>>>> have boards with two ports does not mean it is a default.  Given the

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>>>>>> research I did, it isn't even close.  Boards with two ports for a home

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>>>>>> user is not only not the default, it's somewhat rare.  Out of the top 72

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>>>>>> boards I checked, only a couple or so had two ports.  That is far from

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>>>>>> being the default.  That is quite rare.  Even if it was 5 boards, that

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>>>>>> would be under 10%.  That is hardly something to call a default.  If it

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>>>>>> were say 50%, then one could at least argue that the default is moving

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>>>>>> to having two ports.  It's just not the case.

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>>>>>>

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>>>>>> The sooner you figure that out the better for you.

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>>>>> And eating rice is the default because so many people do it ...

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>>>>>

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>>>>> .

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>>>>>

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>>>> You can claim that having two ports is the default but that isn't

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>>>> supported by a single fact.  As I said, the only person who thinks it is

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>>>> a default is you.  The default would be set by the manufacturers.  Since

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>>>> what is manufactured has to be sold, one good way to find out what the

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>>>> default is, go look at what is being sold.  When you see something that

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>>>> is common, like say four USB ports, then that is the default.  Another

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>>>> example, if most all boards have five PCI-e slots, then that is the

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>>>> default.  If you want six slots, seven slots or more, then you are

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>>>> likely going to pay extra and have fewer buying options because that is

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>>>> not the default.

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>>>>

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>>>> Using your logic, no one eats rice since so much of it is grown and

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>>>> sold.  If rice was not grown and not sold, then your logic would work.

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>>>> So, your post doesn't even make sense.  The manufacturers of boards by a

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>>>> large margin puts one ethernet port on a home use board and even most

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>>>> office computers only need one port.  If one goes and looks at what is

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>>>> being manufactured and sold, they would be able to see that.  Of course,

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>>>> some people can't see it even when several people post the facts.  It

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>>>> seems some will never get the idea.

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>>> Rice is not eaten much around here, so it's not the default type of

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>>> food.

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>>>

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>>> Besides, people buy what is being manufactured.  If all boards were

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>>> manufactured with 4 ports, it wouldn't stop ppl from buying them, and if

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>>> no rice was grown, it wouldn't stop ppl from eating (if sufficient

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>>> quantities of other types of food were available).

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>>>

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>> Rice isn't eaten much around here either.  That IS NOT the point tho.

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> By way of your argumentation, it's still the default food.  You're

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> saying you aren't eating it much.  I would have to conclude that you're

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> living in a bubble outside of reality.

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>

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> Or I could simply acknowledge that you have a different default.

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>

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>> The point is that having two ports is not the default.  As I said

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>> before, if what you claim were even remotely true, then board sellers

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>> would be listing boards with two ports by huge numbers.  They are not.

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>> It is rare even.  Well under 10%, likely less than 5%.  That is FAR from

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>> being a default.  Anyone claiming otherwise is delusional.

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>>

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>> Given your other posts, I've come to the conclusion that you are truly

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>> living in a world that is not based on reality.  You live is some bubble

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>> that you have created where what you think is the only option.  You,

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>> even when shown facts, can not accept anything that doesn't fit in your

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>> little bubble.

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>> You posted that two ports is the default.  Others and myself posted that

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>> is not correct.  I even went to the trouble to prove it.  Yet here you

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>> are still posting that it is when you have yet to post a SINGLE fact to

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>> back up what you claim.  I posted how I researched it and did so in a

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>> way that you should be able to do the same, and see it for YOURSELF.

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>> Yet you refuse to even do that.  You are right even when you are proven

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>> to be 100% wrong in your little bubble.  Unless you can prove that

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>> having two ports is the default, by posting links to a major

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>> manufacturers website or a major seller, you are talking BS and nothing

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>> else. There is no point to you posting anything else.  Post proof or you

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>> are wrong.  Get over it.  Back up your claims.  It shouldn't be hard if

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>> you are correct. It took me about 5 to 10 minutes to do my research and

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>> about the same to post it.

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>> Have a nice day.  Enjoy your little bubble.

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> Well, I guess you haven't realised yet that reality doesn't exist.

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> Bubbles are a self-imposed limit for those who believe in reality.

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> You probably hit that wall and now try hard to remain confined.

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> Unfortunately, this won't make sense to you until you come to realise.

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So, because you THINK two ports is the default, then it is even when you

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can't post a single thing to back it up?  Keep in mind, I researched

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this and posted how I did it.  That research does NOT support what you

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THINK.  The sooner you realize that just because you think something is

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the default doesn't make it so, the better for you it will be.  As I

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also pointed out, I'm not the only one who says you are wrong.  To this

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point, no one else has posted to support your claim either. 

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To put it bluntly, two ports is NOT the default and never has been

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either.  Based on the research I did, it isn't even going to be the

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default anytime soon.  You are wrong, period.  Until you can post a fact

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that backs up your claim, you are wrong.  I've said it, others have said

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it and yet you are still posting something as fact even when proven to

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be wrong. 

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Whether you call it a bubble or call it cow crap, you are not posting

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facts or even a informed opinion.  I call it BS.  Let me know when you

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can post some facts to back up your claim. 

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Dale

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:-)  :-)

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1	lee wrote:
2	> Dale <rdalek1967@×××××.com> writes:
3	>
4	>> lee wrote:
5	>>> Dale <rdalek1967@×××××.com> writes:
6	>>>
7	>>>> lee wrote:
8	>>>>> Dale <rdalek1967@×××××.com> writes:
9	>>>>>
10	>>>>>> lee wrote:
11	>>>>>>> Dale <rdalek1967@×××××.com> writes:
12	>>>>>>>
13	>>>>>>> I didn't go look at boards I had around here. I went to a major
14	>>>>>>> computer supplier, newegg, and looked at what they had. Go back and
15	>>>>>>> read again what I did and maybe read it more carefully.
16	>>>>>>>
17	>>>>>>> Might I also add, it's more than just me that has pointed out that you
18	>>>>>>> are not correct on this. It's a few others as well. You ever stop to
19	>>>>>>> think that what you observe is not the normal and certainly not the
20	>>>>>>> default? If what you claim was even remotely accurate, newegg would
21	>>>>>>> have had a lot larger number of boards with two ports on it. Thing is,
22	>>>>>>> they didn't. Kai pointed out that the same is true in Europe.
23	>>>>>>> Why would I assume that what someone else observes is a default?
24	>>>>>>> Besides, I don't see what problem you're having with this.
25	>>>>>>>
26	>>>>>>>
27	>>>>>> Then why would what you observe also be claimed to be the default? As
28	>>>>>> I also pointed out, it's not just what I observe, it's what I and others
29	>>>>>> have observed as well. So far, you are the only person claiming that
30	>>>>>> two ports on a home user board is the default. I have not seen anyone
31	>>>>>> else post that you are correct. Others have posted that you are not
32	>>>>>> correct tho.
33	>>>>>>
34	>>>>>> The problem is, you claim that having two ports is the default. It is
35	>>>>>> not the default. I've said it, even researched it and explained how I
36	>>>>>> researched it, others have also posted the same point. Just because you
37	>>>>>> have boards with two ports does not mean it is a default. Given the
38	>>>>>> research I did, it isn't even close. Boards with two ports for a home
39	>>>>>> user is not only not the default, it's somewhat rare. Out of the top 72
40	>>>>>> boards I checked, only a couple or so had two ports. That is far from
41	>>>>>> being the default. That is quite rare. Even if it was 5 boards, that
42	>>>>>> would be under 10%. That is hardly something to call a default. If it
43	>>>>>> were say 50%, then one could at least argue that the default is moving
44	>>>>>> to having two ports. It's just not the case.
45	>>>>>>
46	>>>>>> The sooner you figure that out the better for you.
47	>>>>> And eating rice is the default because so many people do it ...
48	>>>>>
49	>>>>> .
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51	>>>> You can claim that having two ports is the default but that isn't
52	>>>> supported by a single fact. As I said, the only person who thinks it is
53	>>>> a default is you. The default would be set by the manufacturers. Since
54	>>>> what is manufactured has to be sold, one good way to find out what the
55	>>>> default is, go look at what is being sold. When you see something that
56	>>>> is common, like say four USB ports, then that is the default. Another
57	>>>> example, if most all boards have five PCI-e slots, then that is the
58	>>>> default. If you want six slots, seven slots or more, then you are
59	>>>> likely going to pay extra and have fewer buying options because that is
60	>>>> not the default.
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62	>>>> Using your logic, no one eats rice since so much of it is grown and
63	>>>> sold. If rice was not grown and not sold, then your logic would work.
64	>>>> So, your post doesn't even make sense. The manufacturers of boards by a
65	>>>> large margin puts one ethernet port on a home use board and even most
66	>>>> office computers only need one port. If one goes and looks at what is
67	>>>> being manufactured and sold, they would be able to see that. Of course,
68	>>>> some people can't see it even when several people post the facts. It
69	>>>> seems some will never get the idea.
70	>>> Rice is not eaten much around here, so it's not the default type of
71	>>> food.
72	>>>
73	>>> Besides, people buy what is being manufactured. If all boards were
74	>>> manufactured with 4 ports, it wouldn't stop ppl from buying them, and if
75	>>> no rice was grown, it wouldn't stop ppl from eating (if sufficient
76	>>> quantities of other types of food were available).
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79	>> Rice isn't eaten much around here either. That IS NOT the point tho.
80	> By way of your argumentation, it's still the default food. You're
81	> saying you aren't eating it much. I would have to conclude that you're
82	> living in a bubble outside of reality.
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84	> Or I could simply acknowledge that you have a different default.
85	>
86	>> The point is that having two ports is not the default. As I said
87	>> before, if what you claim were even remotely true, then board sellers
88	>> would be listing boards with two ports by huge numbers. They are not.
89	>> It is rare even. Well under 10%, likely less than 5%. That is FAR from
90	>> being a default. Anyone claiming otherwise is delusional.
91	>>
92	>> Given your other posts, I've come to the conclusion that you are truly
93	>> living in a world that is not based on reality. You live is some bubble
94	>> that you have created where what you think is the only option. You,
95	>> even when shown facts, can not accept anything that doesn't fit in your
96	>> little bubble.
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98	>> You posted that two ports is the default. Others and myself posted that
99	>> is not correct. I even went to the trouble to prove it. Yet here you
100	>> are still posting that it is when you have yet to post a SINGLE fact to
101	>> back up what you claim. I posted how I researched it and did so in a
102	>> way that you should be able to do the same, and see it for YOURSELF.
103	>> Yet you refuse to even do that. You are right even when you are proven
104	>> to be 100% wrong in your little bubble. Unless you can prove that
105	>> having two ports is the default, by posting links to a major
106	>> manufacturers website or a major seller, you are talking BS and nothing
107	>> else. There is no point to you posting anything else. Post proof or you
108	>> are wrong. Get over it. Back up your claims. It shouldn't be hard if
109	>> you are correct. It took me about 5 to 10 minutes to do my research and
110	>> about the same to post it.
111	>>
112	>> Have a nice day. Enjoy your little bubble.
113	> Well, I guess you haven't realised yet that reality doesn't exist.
114	> Bubbles are a self-imposed limit for those who believe in reality.
115	> You probably hit that wall and now try hard to remain confined.
116	>
117	> Unfortunately, this won't make sense to you until you come to realise.
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121	So, because you THINK two ports is the default, then it is even when you
122	can't post a single thing to back it up? Keep in mind, I researched
123	this and posted how I did it. That research does NOT support what you
124	THINK. The sooner you realize that just because you think something is
125	the default doesn't make it so, the better for you it will be. As I
126	also pointed out, I'm not the only one who says you are wrong. To this
127	point, no one else has posted to support your claim either.
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129	To put it bluntly, two ports is NOT the default and never has been
130	either. Based on the research I did, it isn't even going to be the
131	default anytime soon. You are wrong, period. Until you can post a fact
132	that backs up your claim, you are wrong. I've said it, others have said
133	it and yet you are still posting something as fact even when proven to
134	be wrong.
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136	Whether you call it a bubble or call it cow crap, you are not posting
137	facts or even a informed opinion. I call it BS. Let me know when you
138	can post some facts to back up your claim.
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140	Dale
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142	:-) :-)