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On Sun, 02 Feb 2020 14:24:47 -0500, |
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Jack wrote: |
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> Hello Ian, |
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> On 2020.02.02 13:36, Ian Zimmerman wrote: |
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> > On 2020-02-01 17:08, Jack wrote: |
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> >> I'm trying to move away from gmail. Especially for mailing |
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> >> lists like this one, if I send a message to the list, I never |
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> >> see that I get the message from the list, because gmail |
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> >> refuses to show it in my inbox because it's a duplicate of a |
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> >> message already in my sentbox. |
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> > > |
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> >> I do have an email account with privateemail.com (thorough |
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> >> namecheap.com) but they are unable or unwilling to have a |
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> >> similar setup. I'm not even sure they actually understand |
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> >> what I'm asking of them, but I've wasted more than enough time |
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> >> trying. |
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> > > |
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> >> So - I'm asking if anyone can recommend an email service |
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> >> provider that understands this and will let me set it up. |
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> > |
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> > For your immediate problem, my answer would depend on whether |
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> > you're OK interacting with email entirely through the browser, |
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> > or you are a classicist like myself and want to use a "real" |
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> > email client like mutt or thunderbird. |
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> I absolutely detest webmail, and use it only when absolutely |
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> necessary, which in many cases is to look at the SPAM folder to |
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> mark something as Not Spam. I use IMAP when I'm away from home |
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> (set up on android phone, android tablet, and Artix Linux |
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> laptop.) At home, I pull everything by POP3. Before a long |
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> trip, I rsync my whole mail hierarchy from my desktop to the |
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> laptop, in case I need to reference any older messages, although |
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> I sometimes just go digging in the Trash folder via IMAP. |
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> > From your writing about gmail, I am guessing it's the former: |
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> > you're okay with webmail. In that case, I recommend that you |
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> > look at protonmail, tutanota and hushmail. I have used all of |
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> > them and I still use protonmail for one of my personas :) I |
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> > hasten to add I have _not_ checked how easy it is to mask the |
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> > sender address at any of these. |
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> First, I didn't choose, and do not actually like gmail. If you |
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> don't want lots of gory details, you can skip this paragraph. |
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> For years, I had email provided by my ISP (sbcglobal.net - not |
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> discussing it's various sales and name changes) actually managed |
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> by Yahoo. However, when AT&T sold their landline business in |
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> Connecticut to Frontier, although my sbclobal.net addresses |
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> didn't go away, they ended up in a sort of limbo - it became |
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> impossible for me to get any support. If I called Yahoo, they |
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> said to get support from AT&T. If I called AT&T, as soon as they |
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> figured out I was in Connecticut, they transferred the call to |
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> Frontier. If I called Frontier, they wouldn't help since they |
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> didn't control that domain. About that time, my college stopped |
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> simply providing an email forwarding service, and provided a real |
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> email account under the alumni subdomain of the university's |
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> domain. Unfortunately, the actual account is gmail. Once I |
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> realized I wanted something other than that, I bought my domain |
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> ostroff.xyz through namecheap.com. I then set up email accounts |
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> through their provider privateemail.com. So - my current goal is |
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> to get my xxx@×××××××.xyz email hosted somewhere else. |
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> |
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> > The longer view though is that this will get harder and harder, |
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> > for the reasons other people in the thread have given. google |
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> > and company will impose their fascist anti-spam checks and they |
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> > will get away with it because most everyone uses google and |
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> > company, and nobody but a few geeks cares about the corner case |
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> > of mailing lists. |
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> Agreed. |
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> > <sarcasm> Who needs mailing lists when we have web forums? </sarcasm> |
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> I absolutely agree, sarcastically or not. |
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> > This is what writers like Jon Corbet of LWN mean by "the death |
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> > of email". And this is why, if you are one of the geeks who do |
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> > care, the only way to prolong your life with email is to set up |
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> > your own server. You're already halfway there as you have your |
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> > own domain. |
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> I suppose that is where I will eventually end up, but right now, |
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> I'm just not up for worrying about actually running an internet |
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> facing service. We'll see how one of the other replies to this |
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> thread pushes in that direction. |
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I do have my own server, but I have problems sending to gmail address, |
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I never get a bounce, but the messages disappear, maybe they are in |
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the senders spam folder, but I don't think so. For those messages I |
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use the services of my incoming mail provider which protects me |
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against incoming spam which would be massive for me, and also has an |
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outgoing mail service which I don't like to use because of its strange |
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mapping of its ip addresses to names, but the whole thing works after |
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this strange fashion. |
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-- |
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Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: |
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How do |
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you spend it? |
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John Covici wb2una |
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covici@××××××××××.com |