Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT: looking for email provider

[Jack]

Hello Ian,

On 2020.02.02 13:36, Ian Zimmerman wrote:
> On 2020-02-01 17:08, Jack wrote:
>
>> I'm trying to move away from gmail.  Especially for mailing lists
>> like this one, if I send a message to the list, I never see that I
>> get the message from the list, because gmail refuses to show it in
>> my inbox because it's a duplicate of a message already in my sentbox.
> >
>> I do have an email account with privateemail.com (thorough
>> namecheap.com) but they are unable or unwilling to have a similar
>> setup.  I'm not even sure they actually understand what I'm asking
>> of them, but I've wasted more than enough time trying.
> >
>> So - I'm asking if anyone can recommend an email service provider
>> that understands this and will let me set it up.
>
> For your immediate problem, my answer would depend on whether you're
> OK interacting with email entirely through the browser, or you are a
> classicist like myself and want to use a "real" email client like
> mutt or thunderbird.
I absolutely detest webmail, and use it only when absolutely necessary,  
which in many cases is to look at the SPAM folder to mark something as  
Not Spam.  I use IMAP when I'm away from home (set up on android phone,  
android tablet, and Artix Linux laptop.)  At home, I pull everything by  
POP3.  Before a long trip, I rsync my whole mail hierarchy from my  
desktop to the laptop, in case I need to reference any older messages,  
although I sometimes just go digging in the Trash folder via IMAP.

> From your writing about gmail, I am guessing it's the former: you're
> okay with webmail.  In that case, I recommend that you look at
> protonmail, tutanota and hushmail.  I have used all of them and I
> still use protonmail for one of my personas :)  I hasten to add I
> have _not_ checked how easy it is to mask the sender address at any
> of these.
First, I didn't choose, and do not actually like gmail.  If you don't  
want lots of gory details, you can skip this paragraph.  For years, I  
had email provided by my ISP (sbcglobal.net - not discussing it's  
various sales and name changes) actually managed by Yahoo.  However,  
when AT&T sold their landline business in Connecticut to Frontier,  
although my sbclobal.net addresses didn't go away, they ended up in a  
sort of limbo - it became impossible for me to get any support.  If I  
called Yahoo, they said to get support from AT&T.  If I called AT&T, as  
soon as they figured out I was in Connecticut, they transferred the  
call to Frontier.  If I called Frontier, they wouldn't help since they  
didn't control that domain.   About that time, my college stopped  
simply providing an email forwarding service, and provided a real email  
account under the alumni subdomain of the university's domain.   
Unfortunately, the actual account is gmail.  Once I realized I wanted  
something other than that, I bought my domain ostroff.xyz through  
namecheap.com.  I then set up email accounts through their provider  
privateemail.com.  So - my current goal is to get my xxx@×××××××.xyz  
email hosted somewhere else.

> The longer view though is that this will get harder and harder, for
> the reasons other people in the thread have given.  google and
> company will impose their fascist anti-spam checks and they will get
> away with it because most everyone uses google and company, and
> nobody but a few geeks cares about the corner case of mailing lists.
Agreed.

> <sarcasm> Who needs mailing lists when we have web forums? </sarcasm>
I absolutely agree, sarcastically or not.
> This is what writers like Jon Corbet of LWN mean by "the death of
> email".  And this is why, if you are one of the geeks who do care,
> the only way to prolong your life with email is to set up your own
> server. You're already halfway there as you have your own domain.
I suppose that is where I will eventually end up, but right now, I'm  
just not up for worrying about actually running an internet facing  
service.   We'll see how one of the other replies to this thread pushes  
in that direction.

Jack