Re: [gentoo-user] Calm

[J. Roeleveld]

On Saturday, April 16, 2016 07:07:16 PM Dale wrote:
> J. Roeleveld wrote:
> > On Saturday, April 16, 2016 11:25:23 AM Dale wrote:
> >> Top posting since John started it.  lol
> >
> > Refusing to top-post, even when others do...
> > Makes for even more fun to trace the conversations...
> >
> >> Can you two explain this to Alan Grimes?  He seems to think emerge has
> >> some very serious problems.  ;-)
> >
> > Trying to explain it to him will be as useful as discussing science with
> > members of the Westboro Baptist Church or similar....
>
> I was thinking fence post but we have the same idea.  ;-)

You're referring to a LART?
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=LART

> >> I might add, I recently went through the KDE plasma update which
> >> involved a ton of rebuilds/upgrades.  Since I run a mix of stable and
> >> unstable, it took some effort to get it all sorted BUT emerge did a
> >> pretty good job of telling me what was needed.  Once I got the proper
> >> things in the keyword and USE file, it was off to compile land for
> >> several hours.  I might add, I had to use some of Alan McKinnion's logic
> >> to understand emerge's output.
> >
> > Aside from that, the upgrade guide was a very useful step-by-step guide to
> > avoid any blockers during the upgrade.
>
> Actually, I think the only info I got from it was that I had to switch
> to sddm and emerge the plasma package.  Since I have a mix of stable and
> unstable here, it went down a whole new path after that.  I had hard
> blockers, other packages that had to be keyworded and to change some USE
> flags as well.  If I was running stable only, then the guide would
> likely have worked step by step.  It did give the basic info that I
> needed even tho I was running a install that was different.

It also gave some commands on how to find packages you'd need to temporarily 
remove from the world-file.

> The big point tho, emerge did a pretty darn good job of dropping bread
> crumbs on what needed changing.  On a couple occasions, it took me a few
> reads to grasp what it was saying but it was there and I was able to
> figure it out.  So, unlike Alan G and his problems, emerge did a good job.
>
> >> I might add, I also recently did a emerge -e world.  Out of all the over
> >> 1,400 packages installed on this machine, only one failed.  I can't
> >> recall the package name but I seem to recall keywording to a newer
> >> version and that worked.  Still, 1 out of over 1400 packages.  That's
> >> pretty dang good.  About 99.9% success.  Almost like 24 caret gold.
> >
> > 1 out of 1400 is, in my opinion, 1 too many.
> > But compared to the likely 400 you'd have had about 5 or 6 years ago, I am
> > extremely pleased.
>
> That is what I was talking about.  Many years ago, even thinking you
> could do a emerge -e world of that many packages without at least a
> dozen failures of some kind would be nuts.  I'm talking rooms with
> rubber walls nuts too.  Actually, if I had not forgot to keyword that
> new version, it would have worked.  That version had already failed and
> I should have done the keyword change first.  So really, it was my fault.

Not removing failing versions.... Like to life dangerously?

> >> It seems you two are not alone on being some happy Gentooers.  :-D
> >
> > Count me there as well.
> > I have long passed the point where I will accept bad and unreliable
> > systems
> > when I can help it.
>
> The longest uptime I have ever had was running Gentoo.  If it wasn't for
> power failures, I may not ever reboot this thing.  lol

Same here, but I tend to reboot only for kernel upgrades. Power failures don't 
happen that much here.

--
Joost