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From: "Canek Peláez Valdés" <caneko@×××××.com>
To: gentoo-user@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Systemd upower
Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2014 23:14:12
Message-Id: CADPrc82cPF4WftkJC33pprbV+VmvkpqReeck4VJMmVGPDdUcDA@mail.gmail.com
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-user] Systemd upower by Alon Bar-Lev
1 On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 5:06 PM, Alon Bar-Lev <alonbl@g.o> wrote:
2 > On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 12:59 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés <caneko@×××××.com> wrote:
3 >>
4 >> On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 4:40 PM, Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@×××××.com> wrote:
5 >> [...]
6 >> > Incidentally, what exactly is wrong with systemd writing a dhcp server &
7 >> > client, and an ntp client? Is that project prohibited from writing such
8 >> > software? Are they not allowed to do it? Does it break legal laws? Is
9 >> > there an NDA or non-compete clause in the mix that I'm not aware of?
10 >> > Because they are the only things that could stop systemd from writing
11 >> > such code; without such prohibitions they are free to spend their time
12 >> > doing whatever they damn well please and if that means yet another dhcp
13 >> > implementation, so be it.
14 >>
15 >> Alan, thanks for succinctly putting why is absurd to complain about
16 >> someone else's desire to write whatever code she desires to write. And
17 >> to sharing it to the world! The HORROR!
18 >>
19 >> How *DARE* they to release their code? For free!
20 >>
21 >
22 > Once again, you do not understand the claim.
23
24 It is you who does not understand how software workds. See Alan response.
25
26 > If a user of Gentoo chooses to use non systemd profile, it means that
27 > we need to make sure systemd will not be a valid option, ever.
28
29 Again, you don't understand how software works: this has nothing to do
30 with "profiles", it has to do with the fact that UPower now relies on
31 systemd, and therefore people who has UPower installed now, *by
32 default*, require systemd. If they don't want systemd, there is a way
33 to do it, but it requires manual intervention since they now need to
34 first uninstall UPower.
35
36 > In this case, if it is to disable the upower USE flag, or to provide
37 > alternative, block newer version, whatever make it possible to have a
38 > system working without systemd.
39
40 It is provided:
41
42 emerge -C upower
43 emerge -1v upower-pm-utils
44
45 It has to be done manually, though; otherwise you step on systemd users.
46
47 > systemd should not be visible at any time, nor its implications.
48
49 Nobody is here to deal with other people's OCD.
50
51 Regards.
52 --
53 Canek Peláez Valdés
54 Profesor de asignatura, Facultad de Ciencias
55 Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México

Replies

Subject Author
Re: [gentoo-user] Systemd upower Jim Burwell <jimb@××××.cc>
Re: [gentoo-user] Systemd upower Samuli Suominen <ssuominen@g.o>