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On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 5:30 PM, Michael Schreckenbauer <grimlog@×××.de> wrote: |
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> On Tuesday, 13. September 2011 17:10:40 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: |
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>> On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 4:57 PM, Michael Mol <mikemol@×××××.com> wrote: |
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>> > On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 4:52 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés <caneko@×××××.com> |
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> wrote: |
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>> >> Want to change the direction of the distro? You know what needs to be |
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>> >> done.> |
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>> > Be more specific. It sounds like there are a lot of people in here who |
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>> > want to change the direction of the distro. |
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>> Sorry: I said it a lot of times before in the other thread, so I |
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>> thought it was clear. |
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>> > Is it simply subscribing to -dev and voicing the conversation there? |
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>> Of course not. But please, do that if you think it will help to steer |
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>> Gentoo to whatever direction do you think is the correct one. |
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>> Personaly I don't think the devs (who, AFAIK, do not receive a single |
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>> dime for working on Gentoo) will appreciate anybody telling them how |
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>> they should do their jobs, the one they do for free. But that's just |
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>> me. |
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> As you well know, not all of "our" devs are in favour of this idea. |
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> To quote one of them (vapier) |
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> "brain dead behavior in other packages has no bearing on openrc. openrc will |
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> never require crap like initramfs simply to boot. |
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> -mike" |
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> And in a later mail: |
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> "...if there is something in openrc that doesnt |
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> work with a split /usr or /var, then file a bug because it is a bug..." |
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>> No, by "you know what needs to be done" I mean: code. Contribute. |
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>> Become a developer. Make shit happens the way you think it should |
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>> happen. |
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>> Shut up and code. Google it, I didn't come with the phrase. |
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> There are already devs on "our" side. Fortunatly one of them maintains openrc |
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> :) |
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I really don't see them as "sides". "We" are not at "war". And if |
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OpenRC is capable of booting without needing an initramfs, I really, |
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truly believe that is *GREAT*. But |
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a) It doesn't stop OpenRC to actually use an initramfs |
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b) Doesn't mean every other part of the stack will keep working |
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without an initramfs *AND* with a separated /usr. |
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c) Doesn't mean there are enough developers to keep supporting the |
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things upstream stop supporting. |
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Again, it all comes down to whoever writes the code. If Vapier wants |
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to support OpenRC for systems without initramfs and a separated /usr, |
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that's amazing and we should all said thanks to him and the other devs |
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for the extra effort. But it *WILL* be extra effort for him the moment |
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more upstreams choose to assume that either /usr is in /, or that the |
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system boots with an initramfs. |
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We can thank Vapier, but we cannot *demand* of him to support whatever |
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we want. Nor to any other dev. |
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So,if you *TRULY* believe that Gentoo should forever and ever support |
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any setup it has supported up until now, better start coding. Because |
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otherwise you can never be sure somebody else will do it for you. |
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And maybe I shouldn't even mention it, but I don't use OpenRC. I use |
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systemd. And it works great on Gentoo. |
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Regards. |
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Canek Peláez Valdés |
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Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación |
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Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México |
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